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Another batch of unknowns from a job lot bought at auction.  I'm   finding it fascinating to locate and identify these:

 

Photo 7 looks vaguely Irish to me (on the basis  that the locos further down the line look pretty  well GNR(I)) ?

 

Photo 8 looks rather Caledonian to my eye.

 

Photos 9 & 11 are F Moore's Railway Photographs but,  try as I might, I cannot identify them  for certain.

 

No. 9 looks Caledonian to me.

 

Aggravatingly I have  found photo 11 on a website - but it just calls it loco and train!

 

Any ideas  what/  where/ when?

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I agree some are possibly Irish, but I'm not certain.  This website https://transportsofdelight.smugmug.com/RAILWAYS/IRISH-RAILWAYS/GREAT-SOUTHERN-RAILWAY-STEAM/i-3xQkqWL has the most comprehensive collection of Irish locos I've found, but none of the examples seem to match that website.

 

Could photo 7 be the 'English' Great Northern Railway perhaps?

 

Photo 9 is an LNWR coach, probably at Crewe or Wolverton, if it's an official photo.

 

Moxy

 

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19 minutes ago, Moxy said:

I agree some are possibly Irish, but I'm not certain.  This website https://transportsofdelight.smugmug.com/RAILWAYS/IRISH-RAILWAYS/GREAT-SOUTHERN-RAILWAY-STEAM/i-3xQkqWL has the most comprehensive collection of Irish locos I've found, but none of the examples seem to match that website.

 

Could photo 7 be the 'English' Great Northern Railway perhaps?

 

Photo 9 is an LNWR coach, probably at Crewe or Wolverton, if it's an official photo.

 

Moxy

 

 

I tend to agree that photo 7 looks like 'English' GN, Stirling/Ivatt era(?) but the tender is much more GC. The loco looks as if it's Irish broad gauge. 

Knowing not that much about Irish railways, did any have contractor built locos, possibly Beyer Peacock given the similarity to a GC tender?

 

Edit: looking up Wikipedia there seem to be quite a number of B-P built 0-6-0s

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3 minutes ago, great central said:

 

I tend to agree that photo 7 looks like 'English' GN, Stirling/Ivatt era(?) but the tender is much more GC. The loco looks as if it's Irish broad gauge. 

Knowing not that much about Irish railways, did any have contractor built locos, possibly Beyer Peacock given the similarity to a GC tender?

 

Yes, they did. The GNR(I) had a lot of Beyer Peacock 0-6-0s of SG/SG2/SG3 type (SG being Superheater Goods).  On reflection, I think you're right, they probably are GNR(I) Beyer Peacocks.

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Definite family likeness?

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Railway_Preservation_Society_of_Ireland

 

Looks like one of these, a class A 0-6-0, proving difficult to find much other information, that's as much as the photo caption gives.

 

Edit: found a bit more, some were Beyer Peacock built, others looking similar were built at Dundalk, there's a few pictures in an album on smugmug but I can't get it to link

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31 minutes ago, great central said:

 

I tend to agree that photo 7 looks like 'English' GN, Stirling/Ivatt era(?) but the tender is much more GC. The loco looks as if it's Irish broad gauge. 

Knowing not that much about Irish railways, did any have contractor built locos, possibly Beyer Peacock given the similarity to a GC tender?

 

Edit: looking up Wikipedia there seem to be quite a number of B-P built 0-6-0s

 

48 minutes ago, Moxy said:

I agree some are possibly Irish, but I'm not certain.  This website https://transportsofdelight.smugmug.com/RAILWAYS/IRISH-RAILWAYS/GREAT-SOUTHERN-RAILWAY-STEAM/i-3xQkqWL has the most comprehensive collection of Irish locos I've found, but none of the examples seem to match that website.

 

Could photo 7 be the 'English' Great Northern Railway perhaps?

 

Photo 9 is an LNWR coach, probably at Crewe or Wolverton, if it's an official photo.

 

Moxy

 

I believe that 7 are Irish Great Northern.

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A nice collection. My first thought for the first one was the GNR(I) Class A and it seems that others agree.

 

It is interesting that the tender has such a GCR look as Robinson worked in Ireland for the Waterford, Limerick and Western before he went to the GCR. Perhaps he took the idea with him when he went!

 

No 11 is very like a Sacre 2-4-0 for the MS&LR but there are enough detail differences to rule that out.

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1 hour ago, Moxy said:

I agree some are possibly Irish, but I'm not certain.  This website https://transportsofdelight.smugmug.com/RAILWAYS/IRISH-RAILWAYS/GREAT-SOUTHERN-RAILWAY-STEAM/i-3xQkqWL has the most comprehensive collection of Irish locos I've found, but none of the examples seem to match that website.

 

 

The reason I couldn't find them in that album I linked to earlier is because it's the wrong album!  That is the Great Southern/CIE album.  If this link works, https://transportsofdelight.smugmug.com/RAILWAYS/IRISH-RAILWAYS/ULSTER-TRANSPORT-AUTHORITY-1/i-R6WNMCS

it should take you straight to a GNR(I) Beyer Peacock SG class.

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Photo 9 in LNWR, probably a 50ft arc roof non-corridor composite.  It looks new so may be a "publicity" photo. The carriage in the background could be an early 42ft diner. That might mean that the photo was taken at Wolverstone when the 50ft composite was newly out-shopped.

 

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Hi All

 

Fabulous response!

 

That nicely pins  them all down - even photo 7.  Having looked at the GNR(I) A  class pic on the edited great central response, I'm convinced it is a GNR(I) class A.

 

People seem to enjoy looking at these interesting pics and the challenge they sometimes present.  If its not getting all too boring I'll put some more up.

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No. 7 is definitely GNRI. Most likely an A or AL class.

 The roof in the right background was unique to the concrete roundhouses at Portadown and Clones. 

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No 11 is I think a West Lancashire Railway engine, one of two bought in 1883 from the LBSCR.   It is probably WLR No 8 Blackburn, formerly LBSCR No 363 (info from Vol 3 John Marshall's 'Lancashire & Yorkshire Railway'), which gained a MSLR chimney and a tender weatherboard.   It was withdrawn in 1890.   

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1 hour ago, Boldon Boy said:

No 11 is I think a West Lancashire Railway engine, one of two bought in 1883 from the LBSCR.   It is probably WLR No 8 Blackburn, formerly LBSCR No 363 (info from Vol 3 John Marshall's 'Lancashire & Yorkshire Railway'), which gained a MSLR chimney and a tender weatherboard.   It was withdrawn in 1890.   

 

Bingo!

 

https://transportsofdelight.smugmug.com/RAILWAYS/LOCOMOTIVES-OF-THE-LMS-CONSTITUENT-COMPANIES/LOCOMOTIVES-OF-THE-LANCASHIRE-YORKSHIRE-RAILWAY/i-WtFtVJ8

 

I had an inkling it was from one of the South Coast railways as the SER and LCDR also had similar locomotives. Didn't expect it to be L&Y!

 

I'm wondering now whether that is Southport Central.

 

http://disused-stations.org.uk/s/southport_central/index20.shtml

 

 

Jason

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SO Photo 11 not Sharp Stewart but actually built at Brighton Works November 1874.

 

AND a location  for photo No 7!

 

Fascinating  stuff.

 

Many thanks

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Not that one. The Ratio LNWR carriage kits are for corridor stock. The one pictured is a 50ft arc roof non -corridor. Without access to my library (it's in the workshop at the top of the garden) I can't identify the Diagram number but London Road Models do a range of LNWR carriages of this type;

 

https://traders.scalefour.org/LondonRoadModels/carriages/lnwr-carriages/

 

This is one of my models built from the LRM all third D289.

 

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