adamvb Posted December 30, 2020 Share Posted December 30, 2020 (edited) Hey all I wanted to just ask to see if others who have got the recent new 66 releases from Bachmann (Biffa/BR/Freightliner Orange/Evening Star/DB Cargo) that have come out in the past couple of months are noisier than their older counterparts? I've had 3 so far, all sound fitted. The first one wouldn't take off with a load (just sat stalled until pushed), the second one would pull but had an audible click (which sounded like a compressor tick even though the sound wasn't on) and thankfully the third one pulls and doesn't tick, but inline with the others does still have what sounds like a gear noise on low to medium speeds which becomes a thrumming sound in the higher ranges. I'm not sure if they've changed the motor design, but compared to my old ones from 2005-2012 (Freightliner (8 Pin original variant) and EWS/GBRF (21 Pin revised version)) it is much louder. Has anyone else had this, or have I just fallen unlucky? All best Adam Edited December 30, 2020 by adamvb Added Evening Star variant. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Phil Mc Posted December 30, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 30, 2020 I’ve got 66789, it was run-in for at least an hour in each direction on DC. Didn’t notice any difference in noise level from any others in the fleet. Haulage ability was then the same as the others when tested. cheers, Phil. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
adamvb Posted December 30, 2020 Author Share Posted December 30, 2020 57 minutes ago, Phil Mc said: I’ve got 66789, it was run-in for at least an hour in each direction on DC. Didn’t notice any difference in noise level from any others in the fleet. Haulage ability was then the same as the others when tested. cheers, Phil. Hi Phil Thanks for letting me know - I've run in each on DCC for a couple of hours each way at 64/128 (they're DCC Sound fitted ones). And the motor grumble seems quite a bit louder on the ones I've had. At least on this current one it can haul even if it is noisier! Has anyone else got any of the above 66s and can do a like for like? Cheers Adam Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkey28 Posted December 30, 2020 Share Posted December 30, 2020 I've got the Biffa one and yes it's a bit noisier then the previous Bachmann 66s But no problems with it. I'm going to run it for a few days then take the body off and give it a bit of oil before fitting the details and nameplates One thing I have noticed is that the sound speaker is always powered even with the sound turned off 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CazRail Posted December 30, 2020 Share Posted December 30, 2020 Ive got a DB Cargo one, and I havent noticed any difference in noise between it and my others, I had 66152 out to compare. Once I'd sorted the pickup issue, I thought it was one of the smoothest 66s I have. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
adamvb Posted December 31, 2020 Author Share Posted December 31, 2020 6 hours ago, Monkey28 said: I've got the Biffa one and yes it's a bit noisier then the previous Bachmann 66s But no problems with it. I'm going to run it for a few days then take the body off and give it a bit of oil before fitting the details and nameplates One thing I have noticed is that the sound speaker is always powered even with the sound turned off 2 hours ago, CazRail said: Ive got a DB Cargo one, and I havent noticed any difference in noise between it and my others, I had 66152 out to compare. Once I'd sorted the pickup issue, I thought it was one of the smoothest 66s I have. Thanks for the replies both. Interesting to see the differing opinions. I don't think the third one I've got has any problems, but it is noticeably noisier/'thrum-ier'. I've had a look and the motor setup seems cosmetically the same so it must just be production variation, but weird I've had 3 that have all been noticeably noisier than their predecessors. It's had about 6 hours running in on and off so far and no change in engine noise, but its nice and smooth and is pulling fine. WIll see how it continues to bed in. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
martin_l_jones Posted January 1, 2021 Share Posted January 1, 2021 I bought the DB and G&W (Freightliner) Class 66s and haven’t noticed that they are any noisier. I’ll have to have a good listen in the morning.... 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
adamvb Posted January 1, 2021 Author Share Posted January 1, 2021 16 hours ago, martin_l_jones said: I bought the DB and G&W (Freightliner) Class 66s and haven’t noticed that they are any noisier. I’ll have to have a good listen in the morning.... Hi Martin I'd be interested to hear. Mine has been on engineering trains most of the day and still has its thrum! Best Adam Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
martin_l_jones Posted January 1, 2021 Share Posted January 1, 2021 (edited) 5 hours ago, adamvb said: Hi Martin I'd be interested to hear. Mine has been on engineering trains most of the day and still has its thrum! Best Adam Adam I’ve recorded a few runs both light engine and with a load for both, have to agree they do seem noisier but not a great deal. The G&W loco light engine when running slow sounds like the motor noise from the new 158. I’m going to give them a good running in tomorrow and see if it improves, follow the link below to my you tube. All the best, Martin Edited January 1, 2021 by martin_l_jones Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
aquilla Posted January 2, 2021 Share Posted January 2, 2021 (edited) I got the db cargo 66117 no noise issue, but it was a nightmare over insulfrog points at slow speed, it's fitted with sound, the esu file and would stall and the sound would cut off as soon as it hit the frog. I fitted a stay alive and now it's fine, very good slow running from step 1 to 10, will crawl along. I've ordered another cargo with factory sound, but will change the speaker to a megabass . Plus I will renumber it. Edited January 2, 2021 by aquilla Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
martin_l_jones Posted January 2, 2021 Share Posted January 2, 2021 8 hours ago, aquilla said: I got the db cargo 66117 no noise issue, but it was a nightmare over insulfrog points at slow speed, it's fitted with sound, the esu file and would stall and the sound would cut off as soon as it hit the frog. I fitted a stay alive and now it's fine, very good slow running from step 1 to 10, will crawl along. I've ordered another cargo with factory sound, but will change the speaker to a megabass . Plus I will renumber it. Mine is a sound fitted, I think the sound files are a lot better now. The start and stopping distances are quite lengthy. As you say slow running is very good. Bachmann have done a good job on these. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
charliepetty Posted January 2, 2021 Share Posted January 2, 2021 The Hattons 66 Sound file has been reworked to suit the Bachmann 66, see below: Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
aquilla Posted January 2, 2021 Share Posted January 2, 2021 9 hours ago, martin_l_jones said: Mine is a sound fitted, I think the sound files are a lot better now. The start and stopping distances are quite lengthy. As you say slow running is very good. Bachmann have done a good job on these. Certainly have, my hattons ones are now shelf exhibits lol. I fitted the esu file which is very good along with a boom box speaker from rails exclusive, my others have Jamie goodman with megabass. Both combinations have the correct sounds for the 66, the nice high pitch tone, which the em2 just doesn't give, I think someone demonstrated the esu file recently somewhere on here. But I can get my 66s to crawl at a snails pace without any jerky movements. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkey28 Posted January 2, 2021 Share Posted January 2, 2021 I've had the body off my Biffa sound fitted 66 and the PCB was quite loose . I couldn't tighten the screws any more than they had been done in the factory I ended up shortening the screws so it held at board in securely . Had a good look around inside the locomotive and couldn't find anything that would cause the slightly noisy running . I think it may be getting better with running in will give it another try now I have the PCB secured properly. To be honest my version was only slightly noisier than my previous Bachmann 66s it could be as others have said here that it is a slightly different motor than the previous batches what do people recommend for lubricating the motor bearings on these ? that's the only place i didn't notice any lubricant Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold ruggedpeak Posted January 9, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 9, 2021 This is my experience from last year: Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
martin_l_jones Posted January 10, 2021 Share Posted January 10, 2021 On 09/01/2021 at 11:26, ruggedpeak said: This is my experience from last year: Thankfully it’s not that bad, I’ve been lubricating everything that moves and it seems to be improving. Interestingly Bachmann have a said to return them both for investigation. Nothing in terms of gearing, motor or drive train is different. But they definitely don’t sound like all the other Bachmann 66’s I have and it’s interesting they both sound the same. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkey28 Posted January 13, 2021 Share Posted January 13, 2021 It would be interesting to see what Bachmann say, Martin. I haven't been well enough to run my Biffa for a week or so . What lubricant did you use on your 66? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
martin_l_jones Posted January 13, 2021 Share Posted January 13, 2021 31 minutes ago, Monkey28 said: It would be interesting to see what Bachmann say, Martin. I haven't been well enough to run my Biffa for a week or so . What lubricant did you use on your 66? ‘Singer Sewing Machine Oil’ and a multipurpose grease called ‘Super Lube’ that I got from work many years ago. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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