duff man Posted January 19, 2021 Share Posted January 19, 2021 On 09/01/2021 at 00:27, LimboBrit said: This is not an option for some people. The bottom line is that buying from the other side of the English Channel just got more expensive and in some situations much more expensive I.e. from non VAT registered vendors We can only thank our fellow countrymen who voted to leave. If you want it bad enough then you will like me have no option other than pay the price or go without. the chose is is our's. 2 4 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LimboBrit Posted January 19, 2021 Share Posted January 19, 2021 2 minutes ago, duff man said: We can only thank our fellow countrymen who voted to leave. I won't be doing that in a hurry. When making a trip back to the UK I won't even be able to stock up any more on Red Leicester cheese, of which I am particularly fond. To get back on topic, I will be planning my purchases so that I can pick them up in person rather than have them shipped. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
duff man Posted January 19, 2021 Share Posted January 19, 2021 2 minutes ago, LimboBrit said: I won't be doing that in a hurry. When making a trip back to the UK I won't even be able to stock up any more on Red Leicester cheese, of which I am particularly fond. To get back on topic, I will be planning my purchases so that I can pick them up in person rather than have them shipped. I thought Dutch mountain cheese was excellent compared to red Leicester LOL Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pacific231G Posted January 19, 2021 Share Posted January 19, 2021 14 minutes ago, duff man said: We can only thank our fellow countrymen who voted to leave. If you want it bad enough then you will like me have no option other than pay the price or go without. the chose is is our's. And for those of who believed the lies about how easy it was going to be. We Told you So!! The catch with companies like Hornby International is that they may not bother to sell more than a few items from their non British outline ranges (Jouef etc.) in the UK so there'll be no easy way of getting hold of them. I shall be very interested to see what happens with Peco as they sell a lot of track in Europe. 1 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rue_d_etropal Posted January 19, 2021 Share Posted January 19, 2021 Quote I shall be very interested to see what happens with Peco as they sell a lot of track in Europe. And some of it is then resold back into UK, as part of sets etc. This 'origin of goods' is one of the big problems, which worries a lot of companies in UK, and has not been sorted out yet. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Enterprisingwestern Posted January 19, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 19, 2021 1 hour ago, duff man said: I thought Dutch mountain cheese was excellent compared to red Leicester LOL I thought Dutch cheese was made backwards. Mike. 1 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ravenser Posted January 19, 2021 Share Posted January 19, 2021 1 hour ago, Pacific231G said: And for those of who believed the lies about how easy it was going to be. We Told you So!! The catch with companies like Hornby International is that they may not bother to sell more than a few items from their non British outline ranges (Jouef etc.) in the UK so there'll be no easy way of getting hold of them. I shall be very interested to see what happens with Peco as they sell a lot of track in Europe. Hornby International will of course be VAT registered in France, Spain, Italy and Germany Hornby's direct sales via their website is a separate subject , but I can't see any reason why Hornby wouldn't offer online sales at full RRP for all Jouef/Electrotren/Rivarossi/ Arnold stuff in every country where they are VAT registered. Many have fewer model shops than we do. Throwing in direct sales to the UK would be an easy enough step. It might not happen next week, but there's every reason why it will happen in fairly short order Peco will no doubt be selling business to business for the Continental market, and they have never pushed direct sales via the website hard. This probably heralds a return to the specialist importer in the medium term, on both sides of the Channel Those businesses claiming they can't ship / won't supply the UK seem to be going beyond the realities of the situation if the only result of shipping without registering for UK VAT is that the UK buyer gets stung for VAT and handling fee. Australia went down this route a year or two back 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Geep7 Posted January 19, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 19, 2021 I should really keep this quiet so I have more of a chance to buy them , but you can buy the full Hornby International range via Hornby's website. Well, if it's not already sold out of course. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neils WRX Posted January 19, 2021 Share Posted January 19, 2021 For the model I brought yesterday it was a choice of either pay the extra fees or not have it on my layout. The manufacturer doesn’t sell in the U.K. so there was no other option. My fault for being too specialised in my modelling tastes. Stay safe everyone, Neil 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Geep7 Posted January 19, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 19, 2021 6 minutes ago, Neils WRX said: For the model I brought yesterday it was a choice of either pay the extra fees or not have it on my layout. The manufacturer doesn’t sell in the U.K. so there was no other option. My fault for being too specialised in my modelling tastes. Stay safe everyone, Neil Agreed, I now have the same issue getting hold of Mabar from Spain, until I can take a "holiday" to Barcelona.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Colin_McLeod Posted January 19, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 19, 2021 (edited) Deleted. See revised post below. Edited January 19, 2021 by Colin_McLeod Completely rewrote post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Enterprisingwestern Posted January 19, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 19, 2021 15 minutes ago, Geep7 said: Agreed, I now have the same issue getting hold of Mabar from Spain, until I can take a "holiday" to Barcelona.... Have you got a birthday coming up? Mike. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Colin_McLeod Posted January 19, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 19, 2021 (edited) On 09/01/2021 at 00:27, LimboBrit said: This is not an option for some people. The bottom line is that buying from the other side of the English Channel just got more expensive and in some situations much more expensive I.e. from non VAT registered vendors This works two ways. I live in Ireland and as a non VAT registered private seller if I sell model railway items to the UK using e bay, I am at a disadvantage if competing against someone from the UK selling a similar item. And as a buyer. Purchases from non VAT registered sellers in the UK will cost me both UK VAT and Irish VAT. In addition An Post or other courier will be charging me for the 'service' of extracting Irish VAT. Edited January 19, 2021 by Colin_McLeod 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Geep7 Posted January 19, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 19, 2021 11 minutes ago, Enterprisingwestern said: Have you got a birthday coming up? Mike. Sadly not..... but working on persuading the wife that we need to go on a long weekend to Barca.... Well, I need to go and see how La Sagrada Familiar is progressing.... although I don't think it'll be until next year sadly (and that's not Brexit related....). 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Enterprisingwestern Posted January 20, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 20, 2021 11 hours ago, Geep7 said: Sadly not..... but working on persuading the wife that we need to go on a long weekend to Barca.... Well, I need to go and see how La Sagrada Familiar is progressing.... although I don't think it'll be until next year sadly (and that's not Brexit related....). The way things are going in the UK and over here next year is optimistic, it's all going downhill faster than a rabbit on a promise. Mike. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JT42CWRDriver Posted January 20, 2021 Share Posted January 20, 2021 Just before Christmas I ordered some spare parts from Roco via their website and a much smaller order on the Fleischmann section. I was hoping they’d get here by the end of the year, but they weren’t sent until 8th Jan. When I ordered them I paid the German VAT on both. They were delivered to me with no extra charges, but both parcels has customs declarations on them. I was worried that I would be charged British VAT as well, so was relieved and happy at this point. Lo and behold a couple of days ago Roco refunded me the German VAT! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LimboBrit Posted January 20, 2021 Share Posted January 20, 2021 16 minutes ago, JT42CWRDriver said: They were delivered to me with no extra charges, but both parcels has customs declarations on them. If I understand it correctly on goods worth less than 22 Euros they don't bother with VAT on imports. What was the value of your order? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Joseph_Pestell Posted January 20, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 20, 2021 Now that we have a "deal" to be part of the Single Market, I would assume that we reverted to VAT at point of origin. But it has not been made clear. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Andy Hayter Posted January 20, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 20, 2021 I am not sure who "we " is Joseph but the UK is decidedly not part of the single market. That does not apply to Northern Ireland however. 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jol Wilkinson Posted January 20, 2021 Share Posted January 20, 2021 14 hours ago, Colin_McLeod said: This works two ways. I live in Ireland and as a non VAT registered private seller if I sell model railway items to the UK using e bay, I am at a disadvantage if competing against someone from the UK selling a similar item. And as a buyer. Purchases from non VAT registered sellers in the UK will cost me both UK VAT and Irish VAT. In addition An Post or other courier will be charging me for the 'service' of extracting Irish VAT. Many of the UK small suppliers of kits and bits aren't VAT registered. Selling into the EU now attracts a considerable charge to the overseas buyer. I know of one kit manufacturer who already has had some orders cancelled from the EU as the buyer will incur about an extra30% "import and carrier charges". One customer has said he will will resubmit a £200 order when he can next visit his daughter in London and arrange collection. We may have to wait years before we see any really positive benefit from Brexit. 1 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JT42CWRDriver Posted January 20, 2021 Share Posted January 20, 2021 3 hours ago, LimboBrit said: If I understand it correctly on goods worth less than 22 Euros they don't bother with VAT on imports. What was the value of your order? Nearly 190 euro for the larger order and just over 40 euro for the smaller one. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LimboBrit Posted January 20, 2021 Share Posted January 20, 2021 15 minutes ago, JT42CWRDriver said: Nearly 190 euro for the larger order and just over 40 euro for the smaller one. Nice! I suggest you let the sleeping dogs at the customs and excise lie. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Andy Hayter Posted January 20, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 20, 2021 It has been stated elsewhere that the UK has decided to apply a very light hand on small private purchases until1.7.21. This might be a coded statement for "we don't have the resources" until commercial imports are sorted out. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LimboBrit Posted January 20, 2021 Share Posted January 20, 2021 13 minutes ago, Andy Hayter said: It has been stated elsewhere that the UK has decided to apply a very light hand on small private purchases until1.7.21. This might be a coded statement for "we don't have the resources" until commercial imports are sorted out. I would be interested to know if the Dutch Customs have adopted the same approach Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
fulton Posted January 20, 2021 Share Posted January 20, 2021 Post Brexit, ordered a number of modelling items from Spain, on line Sunday, from Ammo MIg, delivered today, Wednesday, no hold up, no extra charge. 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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