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4 hours ago, melmerby said:

My missus had to surrender some snacking dried fruit, loose in a bag, on entering at New Jersey airport as it was prohibited goods.

Strange as it might have even originated in the US to start with.

They were very hot on anything like that, even apples and such like for your lunch. At least the guys themselves seem to be good humoured.

 

Plenty of ranches in other countries.

 

Very much my experience in several situations around the world that the customs forces are much more focused on whether you are going to inadvertently import some pest that will devastate their agriculture than whether you have a few bits of etched brass for personal use or even a few 15ml tins of illicit paint tucked into a plastic container.  

 

Not of course that I would encourage people to break the rules.  Rules it has to be said that are intended to protect the population from the mass importation of non-conforming products or the risk of a 10 litre can of emulsion bursting in transit and damaging a hundred co-travellers' luggage.

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48 minutes ago, Andy Hayter said:

 

Very much my experience in several situations around the world that the customs forces are much more focused on whether you are going to inadvertently import some pest that will devastate their agriculture

Going to India used to amuse me, as we as Europeans tend to look down on S Asian countries as being unhygienic, however before you land the cabin crew have to disinfect the plane's cabin with powerful aerosol sprays.

They don't do it when you leave!

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I've just had to pay an additional 127 pounds import VAT for an item (an EPM model) ordered from France. I put in the order at the start of last year, so expected to get it while we were still in the transition period, but Covid delayed production until 2021. I suppose the risk was mine but I'll be trying very hard to source French material from UK importers from now on, so at least I have an idea of the up-front costs. On the whole it will certainly make modelling French railways more complicated and expensive from now on.

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On 18/06/2021 at 14:56, Michael Hodgson said:

And potentially arguing with some bloke in a peaked hat at the airport about what taxes and duties etc might or might not be payable, or maybe the blokes with the scanner might think that the suitcase will go bang in mid-air because they can see some wires on their xray screen.  Best not tell tell them the package contains plastic.

 

 

I took a loco through Manchester Airport some time ago, and the customs guy was obviously excited by the large lump of dense material (the loco weight) and some wires he saw on the x-ray.  The conversation went like this...

 

"Is this your bag Sir?"

"Yes, and it's a model railway locomotive you can see"

"Oh...................Ohhhhhhhhhh, my Dad used to have a layout in the garage. I remember it was Perko and Hornby"

"Peco. They make the track."

"That's right. He used to paint all the little figures and make his own scenery. Sorry to delay you, have a good flight."

 

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I know the scanners they use at BWI airport in the US come up with the same "signature" for a model rail loco as they do for a handgun! 

As it seemed to happen every time I was heading back to the UK after buying something from MB Kleins, I actually asked the official on the scanner what she thought I had in my hand baggage and that was what she said. She thought it was rather funny when I told her what it actually was.....

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Back in the days when aircraft were considered to be a target for bomb attacks I had to travel with equipment that I used for weld testing. This included a rucksack sized pack that contained an ultrasonic testing machine with a CRT and various wires and probes.I was never asked any questions about it although I was prepared for such an eventuality. Funnily enough a medium format camera usually prompted a good look and a check that it actually was a camera.

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For those who are importing  model trains from the EU in the UK:

 

https://www.tuv.com/content-media-files/master-content/rs/Attachments/2198_TUV_Rheinland_UKCA_toy.pdf

 

The new CE Marking regulations that the EU is setting from July the 16th are almost similar to the regulations in the UK with the UKCA. On Jan 1st 2023 the UK based importer names and addresses must be available on the products! So from this date it will be as difficult for any manufacturer in the EU to market products in the UK. Perhaps the only difference is that the UK market is smaller and manufacturers can decide not to export to the UK anymore.

 

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Secondhand items that are more than xxx years old (sorry I haven't got the exact number of years on my head) are exempted from CE Marking. The question is however how you want to ship them if you need to upload the CE paperwork upon shipping? This is the same question as for model train parts. They are also exempted but if you can't ship them it isn't going to help much.

You can always ship an item with another HS code (Not Toys starting with 95...) but if the customs opens the package they will hold the shipment until the paperwork arrives. 

There is no difference if items are shipped privately or as a business for the CE Marking. The regulations are the same!

Otherwise all businesses will only ship privately.

 

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Amazon offers the possibility for sellers that use their platform to act as a legal representative:

https://aluragroup.com/eu-market-surveillance-regulation-2019-1020-will-your-products-be-blocked-from-entry-into-the-eu/ 

https://cemarking.net/amazon-responsible-person-ce-marked-products/

 

Of course you must do the CE marking yourself, but this helps if you don't want to use an importer or open an office in the EU.

The downside is that you can only sell through Amazon. The last months Amazon removed all Ads where CE is required and items where not in compliance.

 

There are several messages on forums where non-EU sellers where they told that Amazon removed more than 700 Ads until they have the CE markings sorted out. As they are just resellers and some manufacturers are not willing to help they can't sell their stock anymore in the EU just locally. Not everybody is happy with the new regulations but they were announced 2 years ago... so you should have time to make arrangements or do the right investments as a business seller. 

 

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39 minutes ago, etendam said:

Does this not apply more to Asian products import, especcially for private imports from China, because this information is also in Chinese.

Most we buy from the UK retailers are products imported by official companies, so just like Brexit wait and we will see how it goes.

There was a lot of worrying on this forum before the Brexit, well after the Brexit I have no trouble to buy from the UK, Hattons is just like before 

and others a bit more work and some higher cost, but overall easy to do.

Maybe this CE rules has more to do with direct import from Asian countries.  

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On 21/05/2021 at 17:07, Neils WRX said:

Finally had the letter from Parcel Force, they say I owe them £47 which £35 VAT and £12 handling charge.

 

I contacted the shop I purchased the coaches from (by Ebay) and they say Ebay should have collected the UK VAT, so no idea why I've been stung. Guess I take the matter up with them ?

 

What I thought was a good price for 3 coaches is now a bit of rip off.

 

Stay safe everyone,

 

Neil

 

Repeated the transaction (by Ebay, similar value), parcel arrived by Royal Mail, no demand for extra payment.

 

Confused.... Think this is completely hit and miss.

 

Stay safe everyone.

 

Neil

 

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14 hours ago, etendam said:

Perhaps the only difference is that the UK market is smaller and manufacturers can decide not to export to the UK anymore.

I strongly suspect that the EU market for models of UK railways is smaller than the UK market for models of EU railways, despite the difference in population size. A greater proportion of models in the UK are also supplied by smaller firms. As it is many UK firms have decided to stop doing business in Europe.

 

There is clearly going to be a much increased demand for customs officers!

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2 hours ago, Cor-onGRT4 said:

Maybe this CE rules has more to do with direct import from Asian countries.  

It is my understanding that the new rules coming into force in the EU on July 1st, and the same rules that the UK implemented on January 1st are precisely about that.

 

Specifically sellers in China abusing the system by using false declarations on goods shipped to get around VAT. i.e. declaring the value to be below what was the VAT exempt threshold, regardless of the actual value of the item.

 

It will also force intra EU shipments to levy VAT at the destination country's rate rather than that of the shipping country.

 

As I live in the US this is all moot for me, but there are things that I don't understand about the impact of the legislation, and as I have lived all my adult life, until now, as a citizen/subject of a country was in the EU then I have no experience of how things "used to be".

 

It seems to me that until the UK and EU agree on UKCA an CE equivalence then it is illegal for an individual to purchase and bring into the UK, by whatever means, a model train.

Or for an EU citizen to do the opposite. I find that hard to accept, although I do agree with the principle that you shouldn't be able to get around local laws by buying from a different country online. (Guns and dodgy electrical goods spring to mind)

 

Hopefully some sort of agreement will be put into place in the next year or so, we'll have to wait and see.

 

Regards,

 

John P

 

 

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4 hours ago, Cor-onGRT4 said:

Maybe this CE rules has more to do with direct import from Asian countries.  

 

This has nothing to do with import from Asian countries! The CE markings applies to ALL imports in the EU. If you import items from the US, UK or Asia and they don't meet the new CE marking regulations the customs are entitled to prevent the shipment from entering the EU. If your shipment is hold at the customs it isn't the responsibility of the seller anymore, it is yours (They also don't have to refund you, as you bought items outside the EU market! You must know what you can import and what not, it is similar to forbidden items that may not enter a country.

 

France has already set Toys on the list of forbidden items for import! (So even with the correct CE marking)

https://crossborder.fedex.com/us/assets/prohibited-restricted/france/index.shtml

 

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6 hours ago, Georgeconna said:

Brexit well worth it for this change then..

 

Yes Boris's amazing Trade deal! 

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I am still trying to understand/make sense of the VAT changes from July 1st.   Looking at Hatton's they are registered for VAT in 

Belgium, France, Germany, Ireland (Republic of),Italy, Netherlands (Holland), Spain (mainland) & UK.  

https://www.hattons.co.uk/list/eventdetails.aspx?eventid=113

 

On the revenue.ie website is states that VAT will be payable on all imports from 1st July.  https://www.revenue.ie/en/importing-vehicles-duty-free-allowances/buying-of-goods-online-for-personal-use/buying-goods-from-outside-the-eu.aspx

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From 1 July 2021, import VAT will be payable on all goods entering the EU, irrespective of their value. VAT will always be collected, irrespective of the amount due. If you order goods valued at €22 or less before 1 July 2021, that arrive after that date, you may have to pay VAT.

 

My question is, as Hatton's are registered for VAT in Ireland, will I still have to pay additional VAT (23% + fees) after July 1st?  

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10 hours ago, etendam said:

Secondhand items that are more than xxx years old (sorry I haven't got the exact number of years on my head) are exempted from CE Marking. The question is however how you want to ship them if you need to upload the CE paperwork upon shipping? This is the same question as for model train parts. They are also exempted but if you can't ship them it isn't going to help much.

You can always ship an item with another HS code (Not Toys starting with 95...) but if the customs opens the package they will hold the shipment until the paperwork arrives. 

There is no difference if items are shipped privately or as a business for the CE Marking. The regulations are the same!

Otherwise all businesses will only ship privately.

 

Ed

 

7 hours ago, Georgeconna said:

Brexit well worth it for this change then..

 

 

1 hour ago, irishmail said:

Yes Boris's amazing Trade deal! 

 

Speaking as an UK citizen trying to model British Railways in a EU country, THIS IS GETTING EFFING RIDICULOUS1

 

Mike.

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3 minutes ago, Enterprisingwestern said:

 

 

 

Speaking as an UK citizen trying to model British Railways in a EU country, THIS IS GETTING EFFING RIDICULOUS1

 

Mike.

Quite a few of us in this situation I think.

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25 minutes ago, irishmail said:

My question is, as Hatton's are registered for VAT in Ireland, will I still have to pay additional VAT (23% + fees) after July 1st?  

 

My understanding is that Hattons will deduct the UK VAT (20%)  and charge you Irish VAT (23%).  You will only have to pay the 23% charged by Hattons, plus import duty (0% for model trains).

 

I'm not sure whether you or Hattons is the importer.

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Over the last week I've had two orders from Digikeijs in Holland. The cost of the first was €115 when added to the basket, but reduced to €94 when I checked out having given my address as UK. Expected to have to pay 20% VAT but it was delivered by DHL having cleared customs with no charge. Second order for €171 took the same path - was charged €141 at checkout and no-one's asked me about UK VAT. 

 

Both orders are both under £135 and it's not yet July 1st so is that perhaps why?

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