djo 8 Posted January 12 Share Posted January 12 Hi all, Just perusing the new Hornby 2021 catalogue, and spotted a couple of howlers. Apparently the Hornby Dublo Merchant Navy pacifics are designed by Sir William Stanier. I'm sure the Deltic "Ballymoss" has two L's and not just one... I don't believe the engineer had a G in Billinton. He was LBSCR, so why is there an E2 in SECR colours? Just as fictional as the Thomas moulding this obviously was! I know, I know it's pedantry but they made me chuckle. I always enjoy looking through the catalogue each year, and dreaming for a moment of having a huge layout to run everything on! Apart from the minor niggles it's a super book. Well done to Hornby. David 3 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Robin Brasher 2,583 Posted January 12 Share Posted January 12 I don't think the SECR 0-6-0T is a model of an E2. The original Hornby LBSCR E2 had shorter tanks, fewer cab windows and fewer coal rails. It is simply Thomas the Tank engine without a face in SECR livery. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Wickham Green too 2,047 Posted January 12 Share Posted January 12 Sorry - I've got to put MY pedant's grease-top on ............... Thomas the tank Engine first ran in 1945 so cannot possibly carry any pre-grouping livery ................................................. 1 6 Link to post Share on other sites
Butler Henderson 1,933 Posted January 12 Share Posted January 12 55 minutes ago, Robin Brasher said: I don't think the SECR 0-6-0T is a model of an E2. The original Hornby LBSCR E2 had shorter tanks, fewer cab windows and fewer coal rails. It is simply Thomas the Tank engine without a face in SECR livery. The E2 tooling was modified to form Thomas. There's an error in the data panels for the Peckett B2 which actually had a 6 pin decoder socket while in the thread on the 88DS there are errors noted re the parking location of one loco. Link to post Share on other sites
djo 8 Posted January 12 Author Share Posted January 12 4 hours ago, Robin Brasher said: I don't think the SECR 0-6-0T is a model of an E2. The original Hornby LBSCR E2 had shorter tanks, fewer cab windows and fewer coal rails. It is simply Thomas the Tank engine without a face in SECR livery. All very true, but Billinton was the locomotive engineer of the LBSCR, not SECR! The Hornby Thomas was made from the mutilated tool that used to be the Hornby LBSCR E2 model I believe. 2 Link to post Share on other sites
Ruffnut Thorston 2,747 Posted January 12 Share Posted January 12 (edited) Some E2 locos had the extended tanks... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LB%26SCR_E2_class But the cab and bunker rails, and tank top details is pure Thomas from the TV series... Trix also made a model of an E2 loco... Edited January 12 by Ruffnut Thorston More added Link to post Share on other sites
maico 773 Posted January 13 Share Posted January 13 The new tool Coronation Scot coaches seem to be missing from it although they are still on the website. Link to post Share on other sites
ColinK 2,951 Posted January 13 Share Posted January 13 Instead of all this armchair ‘modelling’, you could do some real modelling, perhaps enter the cake ox challenge? 1 Link to post Share on other sites
spamcan61 1,484 Posted January 13 Share Posted January 13 57 minutes ago, maico said: The new tool Coronation Scot coaches seem to be missing from it although they are still on the website. The catalogue only seems to include new for 2021 releases, for example seems the APT isn't included, although that's not even released yet (being a 2020 'release'). Strikes me as rather confusing for those not in the know. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Steamport Southport 11,773 Posted January 13 Share Posted January 13 19 minutes ago, ColinK said: Instead of all this armchair ‘modelling’, you could do some real modelling, perhaps enter the cake ox challenge? Cake ox? Is that beefcake? Sorry..... 2 Link to post Share on other sites
maico 773 Posted January 13 Share Posted January 13 47 minutes ago, spamcan61 said: The catalogue only seems to include new for 2021 releases, for example seems the APT isn't included, although that's not even released yet (being a 2020 'release'). Strikes me as rather confusing for those not in the know. The B12 I bought last year is in it and that wasn't a 2021 release, and the coaches slated for Q2 2021 aren't ! I just assumed it was a full range catalogue when I bought it like the Trix one I get. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Butler Henderson 1,933 Posted January 13 Share Posted January 13 (edited) Could be the APT and Coronation Scot coaches are, or were expected to be, sold out to dealer / website orders. Edited January 13 by Butler Henderson Link to post Share on other sites
Monkey28 15 Posted January 13 Share Posted January 13 The 2021 catalogue is a bit of a mess and confusing as spamcan61 says Some things are not shown and some have been in there for years like the class 71 Not a good record of the Hornby products available in 2021 I like to look back at the previous year's catalogues so this is a bit disappointing but not the end of the world with everything going on in the world at the moment I don't know why Hornby doesn't do a combined volume of say 10 or 20 years of previous catalogues. Maybe Pat Hammond would be the man for the job Link to post Share on other sites
Hilux5972 2,674 Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 8 hours ago, Monkey28 said: I don't know why Hornby doesn't do a combined volume of say 10 or 20 years of previous catalogues. Now that would a hell of a tome! Sign me up for it please lol Link to post Share on other sites
Butler Henderson 1,933 Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 11 hours ago, Monkey28 said: The 2021 catalogue is a bit of a mess and confusing as spamcan61 says Some things are not shown and some have been in there for years like the class 71 Not a good record of the Hornby products available in 2021 I like to look back at the previous year's catalogues so this is a bit disappointing but not the end of the world with everything going on in the world at the moment I don't know why Hornby doesn't do a combined volume of say 10 or 20 years of previous catalogues. Maybe Pat Hammond would be the man for the job Vol 4 of his Rovex series has never appeared so to date there is no detailed coverage of products since 1996. Link to post Share on other sites
Legend 5,791 Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 (edited) 12 hours ago, Monkey28 said: The 2021 catalogue is a bit of a mess and confusing as spamcan61 says Some things are not shown and some have been in there for years like the class 71 Not a good record of the Hornby products available in 2021 I like to look back at the previous year's catalogues so this is a bit disappointing but not the end of the world with everything going on in the world at the moment I don't know why Hornby doesn't do a combined volume of say 10 or 20 years of previous catalogues. Maybe Pat Hammond would be the man for the job I hadn't spotted the lack of APT or Coronation Scot models I think what the catalogue represents are things that you or retailers can order from Hornby in 2021 ie they have stock or are expected to arrive in the year . So things that are sold out at Hornby , not necesserily the retailers , are not included . This might account for APT and Coronation Scot . Its certainly true that things that prove stubbornly hard to shift eg Class 71s, J15s and K1s are all still in there. Presumably since they stopped having "fire sales " they have large stocks still at their distributors . I think more serious is the fact that certain items which we now possibly understand are available only direct from Hornby eg the Scotrail 47 , possibly the 47 Galloway Princess (the Staycation express, not sure about the associated Mk3s) are not marked as such in the catalogue . Some retailers assumed that they were left off lists, its in the catalogue after all, and were actually taking preorders . Now they have realised the issue and have had to cancel preorders . OK this has got sorted , but you do wonder what else is out there . And we remember issues over Rocket and Duchess of Atholl preorders having to be cancelled last year. Some , the Rocket, were retailer specific , others , The Atholl, seemed to affect several retailers . So it does suggest confusion over allocations can exist . You really need to have confidence that preorders will be adhered to otherwise what's the point . You can argue you could order direct on Hornby , but in what way does that support their retailer network? On a combined volume of catalogues , I think you'll find that actually they are all pretty similar . Pat Hammonds 100 year history book is very good and provides a good summary year by year , up to last year obviously! Edited January 14 by Legend Link to post Share on other sites
G-BOAF 905 Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 20 hours ago, ColinK said: Instead of all this armchair ‘modelling’, you could do some real modelling, perhaps enter the cake ox challenge? 1 Link to post Share on other sites
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