Jason Pape Posted January 16, 2021 Share Posted January 16, 2021 (edited) Happy New Year!! I’m looking for a drawing any scale (or a 4mm scale plastic or etched model) of a LBSCR twin veranda 4 wheeled brake but so far I can’t find a plan of the one I’m looking for. I’ve seen a few pictures of the right design but so far I’ve drawn a blank. I found a 3D rendering of the brakevan but I’m not sure if it’s accurate, it shows only one side of the vehicle too. Edited January 16, 2021 by Jason Pape I forgot to add a picture Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
burgundy Posted January 16, 2021 Share Posted January 16, 2021 The "bible" for Brighton freight stock is "An Illustrated History of Southern Wagons Vol 2". Hope this helps Best wishes Eric 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Pape Posted January 16, 2021 Author Share Posted January 16, 2021 2 hours ago, burgundy said: The "bible" for Brighton freight stock is "An Illustrated History of Southern Wagons Vol 2". Hope this helps Best wishes Eric Thank you Eric I’ll try and borrow a copy. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wickham Green too Posted January 16, 2021 Share Posted January 16, 2021 I don't think there are any 4mm scale plastic or etched models but there are other sources depending on what period you're after ............ the Hornby 'Brighton' van isn't exactly state of the art ( I'm not sure it ever was ) but will represent a van from the last years before grouping - and the Finecast kit is a type introduced in 1894 and lasting to WW2 ................... yes, Mike King's Vol.2 has the details. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Pape Posted January 16, 2021 Author Share Posted January 16, 2021 11 minutes ago, Wickham Green too said: I don't think there are any 4mm scale plastic or etched models but there are other sources depending on what period you're after ............ the Hornby 'Brighton' van isn't exactly state of the art ( I'm not sure it ever was ) but will represent a van from the last years before grouping - and the Finecast kit is a type introduced in 1894 and lasting to WW2 ................... yes, Mike King's Vol.2 has the details. Thank you Wickham Green I didn’t know Hornby made a LBSCR van I knew of their dancehall and LSWR vans. Do you have any pictures? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wickham Green too Posted January 16, 2021 Share Posted January 16, 2021 It's probably what you're referring to as a 'dancehall' ......... THAT should be an SECR vehicle ( Cambrian kit ) not LBSCR : maybe the fact both of these had similar-ish ballast Brake conversions confused you !!?! ( An example of Hornby's Brighton one : https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/233756226723 ) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Compound2632 Posted January 16, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 16, 2021 SEF do a whitemetal kit for the 20 ton 6-wheel version, which is within a gnat's whisker the same body dimensions. I was contemplating a conversion to four wheels (9'9" wheelbase vs. 5'0" + 5'0") but was given a laser-cut kit, which I'm afraid I still haven't quite finished. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wickham Green too Posted January 16, 2021 Share Posted January 16, 2021 Apologies ........ it's a while since I built my Fincast kit - and I could have sworn that I'd converted it from four to six wheels ! It's too narrow for the six-wheeler so I packed the sides out with Plastikard - and used ABS axleboxes on rocking W irons ........... maybe the width's correct for the earlier van ?. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Holliday Posted January 16, 2021 Share Posted January 16, 2021 1 hour ago, Wickham Green too said: I don't think there are any 4mm scale plastic or etched models but there are other sources depending on what period you're after ............ the Hornby 'Brighton' van isn't exactly state of the art ( I'm not sure it ever was ) but will represent a van from the last years before grouping - and the Finecast kit is a type introduced in 1894 and lasting to WW2 ................... yes, Mike King's Vol.2 has the details. Chivers did etched kits for the four and six wheeled brake vans, but, sadly, they've not been available for some time, and they are not featuring in the resurrection of the range, which is concentrating on the plastic kits. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Compound2632 Posted January 16, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 16, 2021 50 minutes ago, Wickham Green too said: maybe the width's correct for the earlier van ?. I forgot about that. The 4-wheeler should be 7'9" wide, the 6-wheeler, 8'0". What bugs me about that model is that the solebar looks too deep; looking at the drawings and photos in Southern Wagons Vol 1., the reason is that the side rail isn't deep enough; it's got its bottom in line with the top of the headstocks whereas it should overlap the solebar by about 3". Evidently a fault of the kit. @Skinnylinny's laser cut version is correct: Axleboxes and buffers are from 5&9. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BernardTPM Posted January 17, 2021 Share Posted January 17, 2021 17 hours ago, Jason Pape said: Thank you Wickham Green I didn’t know Hornby made a LBSCR van I knew of their dancehall and LSWR vans. Do you have any pictures? First introduced in 1980 to go with their LBSCR E2. Still listed by Hornby. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Pape Posted January 17, 2021 Author Share Posted January 17, 2021 (edited) I found a plan of the van the Hornby LBSCR van is based on and I repositioned multiple scans with paper, glue and scissors using a photo of the van, the number, weight and dimensions are probably wrong but hopefully they’re close. Some of the paper parts were very fiddly to cut out. I’ve also noticed that my reworked van has an extra set of handrails on the body too. Edited January 17, 2021 by Jason Pape I forgot to add an image 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Compound2632 Posted January 18, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 18, 2021 You want to bring the axles inboard a bit - it looks very odd as drawn. Wheelbase was 9'9". Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wickham Green too Posted January 18, 2021 Share Posted January 18, 2021 There was an odd batch of LMS shorties with a lengthened wheelbase ..... looked a bit odd - but not as odd as that ! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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