purplepiepete Posted January 22, 2021 Author Share Posted January 22, 2021 6 hours ago, 5050 said: I think I've seen that photo credited as being taken at a couple of locations including, in reverse, at Minera. IMHO they're definitely coke wagons - but are we certain it is taken at Porth-y-waen? What is the structure top right? Locos of that type were, I believe, shedded at Oswestry - but also at Croes Newydd. Pity the number isn't readable. Interesting that you're building a layout based on the area. It's somewhere I've always had an interest in, especially as we lived in Oswestry 1970/71 and I often cycled up and down the Tanat valley. Can you provide any details on your project? Early days - disused scratch built lime kiln (based on Nantmawr) just placed in position at the moment to fill a corner. 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold TheSignalEngineer Posted January 22, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 22, 2021 8 hours ago, petethemole said: On this site, http://www.oswestry-borderland-heritage.co.uk/?page=57 the photo caption has the load as stone. Lime kilns in the vicinity seem to have closed by then. According to some local history sites although older kilns were closing around WW1 there appeared to be more modern ones still active in the area in the early 1960s. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium corneliuslundie Posted January 23, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 23, 2021 Definitely looks to be the same loco as in a photo with a coke wagon in Mike Lloyd's book, which is attributed to R M Camwell. Not the same photo, just the loco and two coke wagons. This one is definitely Porthywaen, as Mike specifically identifies the location as being beside the incline to Cooper's Sidings with Porthywaen halt in the background and notes buildings on the right as being crushers serving Peartree Top siding and Little Crusher siding. The photo posted above is not actually in Mike's book. Jonathan Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
purplepiepete Posted January 23, 2021 Author Share Posted January 23, 2021 2 hours ago, corneliuslundie said: Definitely looks to be the same loco as in a photo with a coke wagon in Mike Lloyd's book, which is attributed to R M Camwell. Not the same photo, just the loco and two coke wagons. This one is definitely Porthywaen, as Mike specifically identifies the location as being beside the incline to Cooper's Sidings with Porthywaen halt in the background and notes buildings on the right as being crushers serving Peartree Top siding and Little Crusher siding. The photo posted above is not actually in Mike's book. Jonathan Thanks Jonathan, interesting information. The loco was a regular in the area in the 40's until withdrawn from Oswestry shed, I think, in the early 1950's. I wonder if, as suggested, the photo is by H C Casserley ? It looks a bit 'amateurish' though for a professional photographer. The coke wagons are interesting. I wonder if they were actually carrying coke for the kilns, or related lime industry, or they had been requisitioned for stone traffic. Pete. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steamport Southport Posted January 23, 2021 Share Posted January 23, 2021 I did say "might be" HC Casserley. I just have a feeling it was one of his as I'm pretty sure that photo was in one of the Casserley books on BR locomotives. Called something like GWR Locomotives in 1948. But I might be mistaken about that as well as it's a long time since I looked at that book. The photo is well known though. It's not rare and unpublished. Jason Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
purplepiepete Posted January 23, 2021 Author Share Posted January 23, 2021 1 hour ago, Steamport Southport said: I did say "might be" HC Casserley. I just have a feeling it was one of his as I'm pretty sure that photo was in one of the Casserley books on BR locomotives. Called something like GWR Locomotives in 1948. But I might be mistaken about that as well as it's a long time since I looked at that book. The photo is well known though. It's not rare and unpublished. Jason Fair point Jason, and photos don't always reproduce very well when scanned or copied to web pages, so good chance it's by HCC. I'll see if I can find a copy of the book - probably a long shot though. Cheers, Pete. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
purplepiepete Posted January 23, 2021 Author Share Posted January 23, 2021 Further view of the 'kiln corner' with a couple of old mineral wagons for visual effect. As you can see the track is a bit of a way off completion and scenery is just loosely placed at the moment. Cheers, Pete. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
J25 Posted January 23, 2021 Share Posted January 23, 2021 A small point. If the wagons were being used to carry anything other than coke why is every wagon in the train a coke wagon? 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold TheSignalEngineer Posted January 24, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 24, 2021 9 hours ago, Steamport Southport said: I did say "might be" HC Casserley. I just have a feeling it was one of his as I'm pretty sure that photo was in one of the Casserley books on BR locomotives. Called something like GWR Locomotives in 1948. But I might be mistaken about that as well as it's a long time since I looked at that book. The photo is well known though. It's not rare and unpublished. Jason There's a photo of the loco in the Casserley book of all locos which went to BR in 1948. I believe it was originally published in parts but I have an all-region copy. The picture of 1331 is inside a shed. I believe there are also some pictures of lines in that area by 'Cam' Camwell which should be with the SLS who now hold his archive. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowy1051 Posted January 24, 2021 Share Posted January 24, 2021 You may find more information on this site www.llanymynech.org.uk 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
purplepiepete Posted January 27, 2021 Author Share Posted January 27, 2021 Oddly I have just found this photo on the 'Disused Stations' website which has, what appears to be, the same photo in reverse ! It is captioned 'Lime Train leaving Minera' which is near Wrexham. Confused now ! Pete. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium kevinlms Posted January 27, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 27, 2021 25 minutes ago, purplepiepete said: Oddly I have just found this photo on the 'Disused Stations' website which has, what appears to be, the same photo in reverse ! It is captioned 'Lime Train leaving Minera' which is near Wrexham. Confused now ! Pete. 5050 refers to that photo earlier in the thread. The next question is, which is the correct way around? Perhaps that will help with the correct location. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
purplepiepete Posted January 27, 2021 Author Share Posted January 27, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, kevinlms said: 5050 refers to that photo earlier in the thread. The next question is, which is the correct way around? Perhaps that will help with the correct location. Ah yes of course, I missed that. TBH I still think it's in the Llanymynech area as this loco was shedded at Oswestry, never, as far as I know, Croes Newydd (Wrexham) which would have served the Minera location. However I may be completely wrong ! https://shedbashuk.blogspot.com/2014/08/croes-newydd-1938-1967.html https://shedbashuk.blogspot.com/2014/08/oswestry-1938-1964.html Excellent website (link above) to shed allocations Edited January 27, 2021 by purplepiepete Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
5050 Posted January 27, 2021 Share Posted January 27, 2021 5 hours ago, kevinlms said: 5050 refers to that photo earlier in the thread. The next question is, which is the correct way around? Perhaps that will help with the correct location. It's not Minera, I'm 100% certain. There aren't any bridges at Minera that accurately fulfil the requirements. Porth-y-Waen is far more plausible. The orientation in the original post is correct IMHO. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium tanatvalley Posted January 28, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 28, 2021 1331 arrived at Oswestry in May 1940 from Swindon where it had been since 1935, in 1934 it was at Weymouth. It remained at Oswestry until 1949 being condemned at Swindon on 9/1/1950. There are no monthly records of it ever being sent elsewhere in the period it was at Oswestry. Alan 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quarryscapes Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 The Minera caption is 100% wrong as is the orientation. The smokebox number plate gives it away (although you can't tell from that poor quality web image) 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
5050 Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 1 hour ago, Quarryscapes said: The Minera caption is 100% wrong as is the orientation. The smokebox number plate gives it away (although you can't tell from that poor quality web image) The problem is that a Minera website shows the photo as being taken at the quarry. Rather misleading for future researchers. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
purplepiepete Posted January 29, 2021 Author Share Posted January 29, 2021 Another interesting photo from the Oswestry Borderland website showing a Porthywaen Lime Co wagon amongst others, including a coke wagon, at the sidings in Porthywaen. Not conclusive at all but I wonder if this also points to the coke wagons being redeployed for stone ? Not sure, however I wonder if coke was used to fire the Hoffmann kiln at Llanymynech ? Pete. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quarryscapes Posted January 29, 2021 Share Posted January 29, 2021 19 hours ago, 5050 said: The problem is that a Minera website shows the photo as being taken at the quarry. Rather misleading for future researchers. 2 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
5050 Posted January 29, 2021 Share Posted January 29, 2021 I remember one of the Steetley lime wagons parked up alongside the main road in the early/mid 60's. I don't think it was still a runner! I think it had gone by the time we moved to Oswestry in 1970. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
purplepiepete Posted January 29, 2021 Author Share Posted January 29, 2021 Caption as attached to the photo : Photo of a Porthywaen Lime Co 10 ton wagon parked in a siding at Porthywaen, date unknown. Many of the early wagons had wooden underframes, some with dumb-buffers, whilst later wagons had steel channel underframes. An interesting relic to be seen at Porthywaen until the early 1960's was a dumb-buffered open wagon with a "primitive roof". The foreman at the works stated in 1952 that it was used for the storage of salt and had been standing in the same place for 50 years. Assume it went for scrap in the 60's - what a pity it wasn't saved ! Pete. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowy1051 Posted February 3, 2021 Share Posted February 3, 2021 Looking closely at the original picture, is that a crossing or siding that the second wagon is crossing? maybe this could help pinpoint the location. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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