Miss Prism Posted February 4, 2021 Share Posted February 4, 2021 45 minutes ago, jjnewitt said: Yes, it is a bit odd isn't it. The loco looks very clean so perhaps this was taken at Swindon post overhaul and the tender temporarily borrowed for one reason or another? But why would anyone do that? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miss Prism Posted February 4, 2021 Share Posted February 4, 2021 Hmmm. Teardrop vertical rivets or round perpendiculars - a tricky tooling decision! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miss Prism Posted February 4, 2021 Share Posted February 4, 2021 Is it safe to assume Manor ATCs were always mounted on the bogie? Maybe by 1938 the ATC 'moving about' situation had settled down a bit. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
60800 Posted February 4, 2021 Share Posted February 4, 2021 1 hour ago, Miss Prism said: As far as I know (which isn't very much), the Erlestoke Manor Fund seems to have a Collett 4000g, for 7802, and a vanilla snap-head riveted Churchward 3500g, for 7812. In its day, 7812 also ran with a Collett 3500g 3000g: Thanks So, if I get both I'll need to source a suitably painted and detailed Collett 4000 gallon tender. Accurascale doesn't seem to be tooling up for this (unless I've read wrong) so what's my best option for an RTR loco to scrounge a spare on eBay from? Cheers, 60800 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jjnewitt Posted February 4, 2021 Share Posted February 4, 2021 13 minutes ago, Miss Prism said: But why would anyone do that? To move it, to steam it maybe? There's a picture around somewhere of, I think, a Grange or a Hall at Swindon with a BR standard tender behind it. Justin 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium TrevorP1 Posted February 4, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 4, 2021 3 hours ago, Hilux5972 said: Hornbys Castle is magnificent, the Grange yes it is now 15+ years old but still looks great. The County definitely needs seriously upgraded. My comment was meant to be a bit tongue in cheek. You're right about the Castle, I have one and I'm very pleased. As I've mentioned elsewhere on RMWeb my Granges must have been Friday afternoon jobs because they've needed pulling apart and various faults attended to before they would run properly. The County is an open goal for someone... The 57xx was mentioned, high time for a modern attempt... As many have said there are plenty more ideas for future 'greenfield' products. Good wishes to any manufacturer who takes them on. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miss Prism Posted February 4, 2021 Share Posted February 4, 2021 4 minutes ago, 60800 said: So, if I get both I'll need to source a suitably painted and detailed Collett 4000 gallon tender. Accurascale doesn't seem to be tooling up for this (unless I've read wrong) so what's my best option for an RTR loco to scrounge a spare on eBay from? Both Hornby (Castles) and Bachmann (Halls) do Collett 4000g tenders. (So does Heljan, but I don't like the look of it.) Whether you'll get one that exactly matches the one behind 7802 I don't know without looking at the frame. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Posted February 4, 2021 Share Posted February 4, 2021 (edited) 31 minutes ago, Miss Prism said: Hmmm. Teardrop vertical rivets or round perpendiculars - a tricky tooling decision! Drawing issue no doubt. These things are quite easy to miss! The number of times early in my career when I did a design got it perfect on the screen and then watched all the mistakes present themselves as I watched the A0 printout! Another quite noticeable item is the overhang of the footplate above the rivets which is missing in this iteration. Mark Edited February 4, 2021 by Mark Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miss Prism Posted February 4, 2021 Share Posted February 4, 2021 1 minute ago, Mark said: Another quite noticeable item is the overhang of the footplate above the rivets which is missing in this iteration. I wondered about that as well. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold 57xx Posted February 4, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 4, 2021 (edited) 20 hours ago, The Black Hat said: I guess you missed the whole Bachmann vs Hattons issue over the class 66 then. Yes I guess I did, I don't really follow diesels much. What I did see was Hornby throwing toys out of the pram and releasing their Railroad 66 in competing liveries to Hattons at the time. The 66 was hardly an exclusive to Bachmann when Hattons announced theirs. I've still no sympathy for them and happy to see Accurascale pick up the gauntlet for the Manor. Edited February 4, 2021 by 57xx Speeling Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Covkid Posted February 4, 2021 Share Posted February 4, 2021 Don't think this has been posted as yet but there is some good information here from The Accurascale team visitingthe GWS at Didcot to scan and measure 7808 "Cookham Manor" 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold BR Blue Posted February 4, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 4, 2021 That was already posted in the new announcement thread, hence this entire thread. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold McC Posted February 4, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 4, 2021 https://accurascale.co.uk/blogs/news/a-manor-of-history-we-look-at-the-careers-of-the-collett-78xx Provides a follow-up history and more details. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miss Prism Posted February 4, 2021 Share Posted February 4, 2021 31 minutes ago, McC said: https://accurascale.co.uk/blogs/news/a-manor-of-history-we-look-at-the-careers-of-the-collett-78xx "...new engines were all partnered with secondhand tenders, usually Churchward 3,500gal types of various vintages, with at least one of the first 20 gaining a tender dating from 1903." The first Churchward 3500g units were June 1905. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold McC Posted February 4, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 4, 2021 4 minutes ago, Miss Prism said: "...new engines were all partnered with secondhand tenders, usually Churchward 3,500gal types of various vintages, with at least one of the first 20 gaining a tender dating from 1903." The first Churchward 3500g units were June 1905. Sorry if the piece is unclear on that point, but it states that one manor got a tender dating from 1903, rather than a Churchward (which was most typical) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miss Prism Posted February 4, 2021 Share Posted February 4, 2021 (edited) Now that is even more intriguing. I suppose it could have been an ex-Dean 4000g. Edited February 4, 2021 by Miss Prism Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
-missy- Posted February 4, 2021 Share Posted February 4, 2021 1 hour ago, Covkid said: Don't think this has been posted as yet but there is some good information here from The Accurascale team visitingthe GWS at Didcot to scan and measure 7808 "Cookham Manor" Didcot is a really nice place to scan things. Missy 3 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold McC Posted February 4, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 4, 2021 9 minutes ago, Miss Prism said: Now that is even more intriguing. I suppose it could have been an ex-Dean 4000g. According to Peto's Register, 7804 was partnered with tender 1560 of lot A55, blt. 1903. The same tender was also used with Manors 7810 and 7822. The tender was (I think) a Dean 3,000gal type originally built for GWR 4-6-0 prototype No. 98, later named VANGUARD, later 2998 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miss Prism Posted February 4, 2021 Share Posted February 4, 2021 (edited) 56 minutes ago, McC said: According to Peto's Register, 7804 was partnered with tender 1560 of lot A55, blt. 1903. The same tender was also used with Manors 7810 and 7822. The tender was (I think) a Dean 3,000gal type originally built for GWR 4-6-0 prototype No. 98, later named VANGUARD, later 2998 Ah ha! Tender 1560 was a one-off Dean 4000g. Here it is, heavily rebuilt, although thought still to be 4000g capacity, behind Hall 4915 (for a mid-1930s 3-year stint): http://www.gwr.org.uk/tenders/4915-tender-large.jpg Edited February 4, 2021 by Miss Prism grammar 1 1 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Covkid Posted February 4, 2021 Share Posted February 4, 2021 39 minutes ago, -missy- said: Didcot is a really nice place to scan things. Missy Haha. Yes Missy. I rather thought that would come out in time !!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Accurascale Fran Posted February 4, 2021 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted February 4, 2021 Couldn't resist a look at 18000 when we surveyed Cookham Manor myself @missy was always a loco on my bucket list to see. Cheers! Fran 7 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vacuum Posted February 4, 2021 Share Posted February 4, 2021 Fran, Can you please say how the body of the vacuum pump will be attached to the loco? If it is attached to the bottom of the running plate isn't there a danger that the pump spindle could be bent or otherwise damaged when the loco. body is separated from the chassis (as I presume of course is intended to be possible)? Some years ago I had a model of a GW loco. with such a vacuum pump mounting arrangement (I can't now recall the manufacturer) and it was very difficult to separate body from chassis without bending the spindle. I am not sure how other manufacturers now deal with installation of the same type of vacuum pump on their models. Thanks. Colin Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold gwrrob Posted February 4, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 4, 2021 7 minutes ago, Accurascale Fran said: Couldn't resist a look at 18000 when we surveyed Cookham Manor myself @missy was always a loco on my bucket list to see. Cheers! Fran It would be even nicer if you'd scanned one of these whilst you were there. https://didcotrailwaycentre.org.uk/article.php/119/no-111-collett-full-brake 1 7 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Accurascale Fran Posted February 4, 2021 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted February 4, 2021 11 minutes ago, Vacuum said: Fran, Can you please say how the body of the vacuum pump will be attached to the loco? If it is attached to the bottom of the running plate isn't there a danger that the pump spindle could be bent or otherwise damaged when the loco. body is separated from the chassis (as I presume of course is intended to be possible)? Some years ago I had a model of a GW loco. with such a vacuum pump mounting arrangement (I can't now recall the manufacturer) and it was very difficult to separate body from chassis without bending the spindle. I am not sure how other manufacturers now deal with installation of the same type of vacuum pump on their models. Thanks. Colin Hi Colin, Many thanks for your query. The only way to fit it is to fit it to the frame I'm afraid! However, with a bit of care and the valve gear in the correct location it will be okay to remove with relative ease. It's a metal part so should be somewhat robust to bending unlike a plastic part. Cheers! Fran 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damo666 Posted February 4, 2021 Share Posted February 4, 2021 4 hours ago, Mark said: Drawing issue no doubt. These things are quite easy to miss! The number of times early in my career when I did a design got it perfect on the screen and then watched all the mistakes present themselves as I watched the A0 printout! Another quite noticeable item is the overhang of the footplate above the rivets which is missing in this iteration. Mark I can totally relate to that. No matter how long you stare at the screen and examine everything in close-up / zoomed-in detail, you'll never see the error. It's only after the plot starts coming off the printer that it immediately stands-out. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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