RMweb Gold TomE Posted July 3, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 3, 2021 (edited) The sound fitted N Class has arrived. Delightful little model. Tom. Edited July 5, 2021 by TomE 4 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roy L S Posted July 12, 2021 Share Posted July 12, 2021 I have an N Class in BR black with late crest from the original run, I don't model SR or anywhere close but it was such a lovely model, like the C Class I bought it purely as a "Rule 1". I can't be tempted by another even with the Next 18/speaker upgrade but I am sure it will prove just as popular as the first run was. I am keenly waiting for the sound fitted Standard 5, I already have a number of them and one sound fitted already, but based on the 8F's sound file I think Bachmann's sound provider really does nail it. Things have been so slow of late Farish wise compared to Bachmann's OO range, and I really hope we see things pick up for Q3. I recall that this was hinted at according to Osborns Models' report of conversation they had with Bachmann - a new steam loco would be nice or maybe a new Peak? (I know - stop it!). Second hand prices of anything BachFarish are becoming eye-watering and there is clearly as much demand for British N as there ever was but supply is still it would seem a challenge. Roy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
fezza Posted July 13, 2021 Share Posted July 13, 2021 12 hours ago, Roy L S said: Things have been so slow of late Farish wise compared to Bachmann's OO range... Second hand prices of anything BachFarish are becoming eye-watering and there is clearly as much demand for British N as there ever was but supply is still it would seem a challenge. Roy A Peak would certainly get my vote - but perhaps with the right size bogey frames this time? The cynic in me thinks that limiting supply might be a deliberate strategy to prepare the market for even higher prices. If you are the single supplier of a specific product you limit supply so if demand stays constant, your prices and profits per unit rise... 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
grahame Posted July 13, 2021 Share Posted July 13, 2021 1 minute ago, fezza said: The cynic in me thinks that limiting supply might be a deliberate strategy to prepare the market for even higher prices. Really? Somehow I doubt it. I don't think their batch size (around 1000) has changed and they still seem to release three batches, each with different livery/details, at the same time. Plus, and perhaps you haven't noticed, but world trade is experiencing very difficult times - the covid pandemic, blockages in the Suez, shortage of containers and truck drivers, etc.,. I guess they all have an impact on supply issues. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
fezza Posted July 13, 2021 Share Posted July 13, 2021 2 minutes ago, grahame said: Really? Somehow I doubt it. I don't think their batch size (around 1000) has changed and they still seem to release three batches, each with different livery/details, at the same time. Plus, and perhaps you haven't noticed, but world trade is experiencing very difficult times - the covid pandemic, blockages in the Suez, shortage of containers and truck drivers, etc.,. I guess they all have an impact on supply issues. Batch sizes may or may not have changed (we have no way of knowing) but the product range is not what it was. There are some global factors of course but Covid has become the "don't you know there's a war on" excuse of modern times. It's sometimes relevant, but not always. Some products were very late even before 2020 started. Peaks must have been the most popular loco class in the 1980s (when many middle age collectors grew up) yet we still don't have a modern spec Peak in N gauge. Very odd really - they would surely shift more than EMUs? 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
grahame Posted July 13, 2021 Share Posted July 13, 2021 24 minutes ago, fezza said: Peaks must have been the most popular loco class in the 1980s (when many middle age collectors grew up) yet we still don't have a modern spec Peak in N gauge. Very odd really - they would surely shift more than EMUs? Nope, they're not popular with me. And you know that Peaks would surely shift more than EMUs for certain? Really? How do you know? Perhaps not so odd, especially when there have been models of Peaks previously produced that will have sated at least some market demand. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
woodenhead Posted July 13, 2021 Share Posted July 13, 2021 The Peaks did satisfy a demand, but there will be renewed demand if they are Next18 DCC ready with a speaker and they try out some different noses. Would they shift more of those than EMUs - interesting question, I am sure all those who bought CEPs would be happy to purchase a 2EPB or two, and would look fine alongside a 319 too. Who knows, a decent sale of 2EPBs might even get juices going for RevolutioN to do a 508 from their 313 design. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
grahame Posted July 13, 2021 Share Posted July 13, 2021 Farish have produced 9 batches of Peaks over the years (although the last around 10 years ago): 371-200 2006 BR Blue 44008 Penyghent 371-201 2006 BR Green D1 Scafell Pike 371-202 2011 BR Green D7 Ingleborough 371-575 2006 BR Green [SYP] D67 The Royal Artilleryman 371-575A 2011 BR Green [SYP] D655 Royal Signals 371-576 2006 BR Blue 45114 371-585 2006 BR Green D163 Leicestershire & Derbyshire Yeomanry 371-586 2006 BR Blue 46053 371-587 2011 BR Blue D186 I guess there will be a fair few owners of them who are not likely to replace them with an expensive speaker fitted version. Some might, but I doubt all would. Personally I'd rather see development put in to motive power that isn't (or has not been) available, to extend the range rather than replicate it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
fezza Posted July 13, 2021 Share Posted July 13, 2021 All I will say is that Bachmann clearly think there is a demand for Peaks in 00 as they have just churned out multiple versions - and the older 00 peaks weren't as outdated or inaccurate as the Farish ones. Nothing against EMUs but the fact you can still buy "new" releases from ten years ago makes me wonder. What percentage of British N gauge layouts have third rail or OHLE? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
grahame Posted July 13, 2021 Share Posted July 13, 2021 1 hour ago, fezza said: There are some global factors of course but Covid has become the "don't you know there's a war on" excuse of modern times. It's sometimes relevant, but not always. Sure, sometimes it might sound like an excuse and maybe occasionally it is. But covid has been (and still is) a very real pandemic. Doubting the effect of it on worldwide trade is rather like being a covid denier. And, of course, the Suez blockage, truck driver and container shortages is also very real. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calnefoxile Posted July 13, 2021 Share Posted July 13, 2021 As BachFarish already have a suitable modern chassis available in the shape of the Class 40, surely tweaking it for a Peak is not beyond them. Ok the body is completely different, but they have the starting point in the CADs from the earlier release. Regards Neal. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roy L S Posted July 13, 2021 Share Posted July 13, 2021 51 minutes ago, Calnefoxile said: As BachFarish already have a suitable modern chassis available in the shape of the Class 40, surely tweaking it for a Peak is not beyond them. Ok the body is completely different, but they have the starting point in the CADs from the earlier release. Regards Neal. It would have to be a complete "rails up" job I think, the Class 40 chassis has a different wheelbase and there is no way such a compromise would be acceptable these days. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Steven B Posted July 13, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted July 13, 2021 The bogie wheelbase dimensions are shared on the class 40, 44, 45 & 46 (8'-8'-5'6") with the same wheel size (3'9" and 3'), but the distance between the bogies was longer on the class 40 (34' 3" vs 32' 8"). At best you could copy and paste the CAD for the functioning bits of the chassis, and chop 4mm from the main chassis block. Steven B. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Pilotman Posted July 13, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 13, 2021 (edited) 2 hours ago, grahame said: Farish have produced 9 batches of Peaks over the years (although the last around 10 years ago): 371-200 2006 BR Blue 44008 Penyghent 371-201 2006 BR Green D1 Scafell Pike 371-202 2011 BR Green D7 Ingleborough 371-575 2006 BR Green [SYP] D67 The Royal Artilleryman 371-575A 2011 BR Green [SYP] D655 Royal Signals 371-576 2006 BR Blue 45114 371-585 2006 BR Green D163 Leicestershire & Derbyshire Yeomanry 371-586 2006 BR Blue 46053 371-587 2011 BR Blue D186 I think I’m right in saying though that none of those versions are of locomotives that had the plated-over headcode boxes that were around on class 45s for the last ten years or so of their existence. That, I’m sure, would be a popular version to produce (there were dozens of them) and I would hope that it would be a strong candidate if/when Farish decide to update their “Peak”. Edited July 13, 2021 by Western Aviator 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium njee20 Posted July 13, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted July 13, 2021 3 hours ago, fezza said: Nothing against EMUs but the fact you can still buy "new" releases from ten years ago makes me wonder. What percentage of British N gauge layouts have third rail or OHLE? Can you? Which ones? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Stuart A Posted July 13, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 13, 2021 56 minutes ago, Western Aviator said: I think I’m right in saying though that none of those versions are of locomotives that had the plated-over headcode boxes that were around on class 45s for the last ten years or so of their existence. That, I’m sure, would be a popular version to produce (there were dozens of them) and I would hope that it would be a strong candidate if/when Farish decide to update their “Peak”. Correct. Sealed beam Peaks are a must for 1980s MML and transpennine modelling. Plus 45106 as a collectors club limited edition in celebrity Tinsley green livery. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
woodenhead Posted July 13, 2021 Share Posted July 13, 2021 For Peaks we have: Doors and discs on the 44 Doors and split headcode on the 45 No doors and split headcode 45 Centre headcode with a divider Centre headcode no divider Sealed front end twin lights Sealed front end with twin lights and single headlight Quite a bit to play with and could keep us in models for a few years. Then there is of course 24/1, 25/0, 25/3 and a skinhead 31. But there is still space for a 2EPB, 117 and a 105 in the range. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimSan Posted July 13, 2021 Share Posted July 13, 2021 Would always buy more third rail units in either BR Green or NSE (at least one of each in both liveries), and have said before on the N Gauge Forum (some time ago), the EPB stock is rather modular as just four types of body moulds would cover three different units. BR Versions (un-refurbished) of the 2EPB, 4EPB and 2HAPs all use the same DMBSO (4EPB uses two), then just needing a single other coach mould for each other unit as such: 2EPB: DMBSO, DTSO 4EPB: DMBSO, TSO, TSO, DMBSO 2HAP: DMBSO, DTCL And if you really want, there's also the 4CAP units which are just two 2HAPs stuck together. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
frobisher Posted July 13, 2021 Share Posted July 13, 2021 1 hour ago, JimSan said: BR Versions (un-refurbished) of the 2EPB, 4EPB and 2HAPs all use the same DMBSO (4EPB uses two), then just needing a single other coach mould for each other unit as such: Apart from the ex-Tyneside 2EPB units Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimSan Posted July 13, 2021 Share Posted July 13, 2021 6 minutes ago, frobisher said: Apart from the ex-Tyneside 2EPB units Knew I forgot something, though hopefully shouldn't be too hard to also add those ones in too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
montyburns56 Posted July 13, 2021 Share Posted July 13, 2021 5 hours ago, Western Aviator said: I think I’m right in saying though that none of those versions are of locomotives that had the plated-over headcode boxes that were around on class 45s for the last ten years or so of their existence. That, I’m sure, would be a popular version to produce (there were dozens of them) and I would hope that it would be a strong candidate if/when Farish decide to update their “Peak”. Indeed, the ironic thing about that list of versions that GF have produced is that it didn't include a bog standard Rail Blue version, just this oddball one with a side stripe. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Pilotman Posted July 13, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 13, 2021 (edited) 6 minutes ago, montyburns56 said: Indeed, the ironic thing about that list of versions that GF have produced is that it didn't include a bog standard Rail Blue version, just this oddball one with a side stripe. That’s true with regard to class 45s but the model of 46053 was bog standard rail blue with black buffer beams and a domino headcode box. The model of 44008 had a red buffer beam but I don’t know if they were all like that in real life. Edited July 13, 2021 by Western Aviator Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Harvey Posted July 14, 2021 Share Posted July 14, 2021 On 13/07/2021 at 10:35, fezza said: Nothing against EMUs but the fact you can still buy "new" releases from ten years ago makes me wonder. What percentage of British N gauge layouts have third rail or OHLE? @fezzaSo who has the secret stash of EMUs? I cannot find one online, or in any stores around here. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
fezza Posted July 15, 2021 Share Posted July 15, 2021 10 hours ago, Mike Harvey said: @fezzaSo who has the secret stash of EMUs? I cannot find one online, or in any stores around here. Hereford Models for one have three units in stock - and they are going for just £118! They've been at that price for more than a year and haven't sold. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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