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1 minute ago, fezza said:

350/1s that is 

 

You try and find 4-CEPs for a reasonable price!!!!

 

These are the items that are wanted by so many, BachFar had a real opportunity to use this chassis for so many more Units, but just didn't......

 

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Neal.

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1 hour ago, fezza said:

Hereford Models for one have three units in stock - and they are going for just £118! They've been at that price for more than a year and haven't sold.

Thanks for flagging those up. So that's three. Any more?

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How many 350/1s do you want???

 

Take the point about the 4-CEP though. All modellers of the "tramway" need a fair few of these. There have been some on eBay recently but are much harder to find 

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5 hours ago, fezza said:

How many 350/1s do you want???

 

I think those 3 at Hereford Model Centre are the exception rather than the rule. I certainly haven't seen any 350's in stock round my neck of the woods for a good few years now & the box shifters moved all theirs on when they were flogging them for about £90!

 

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Only found 2x CEPs on eBay, one in Blue/Grey for £325 and a Green with SYP going for £270 (though at least both having free shipping!), considering there was another CEP on there not too long back in Green going for around the £250-£270 mark which has gone, it does seem people are reluctantly willing to pay for them at these prices (Blue/Grey one does have 8 watchers).

 

As for the CEP chassis and even the body, surprised they didn't also offer the 4BEP, uses pretty much the same bits apart from a single coach being replaced with a Buffet.

 

Footplate have just a single 350/2 in stock,, a few other sites I've seen just have pre-orders to EMUs

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5 hours ago, woodenhead said:

Well you could sum it up by saying firms that retain sufficient cash reserves,  understand cash flow and expect sub par logistical performance and plan for it survive. Those that don't fail. That's what ever bank manager tells anyone who starts a small business and the first lesson I learnt in our family firm.

 

It shouldn't really come as a surprise to Kader but it would worry me as a retailer if I'd got stuff that was ten years old which hadn't sold and more was on its way for which I was expected to pay double the price...

 

Of course there may be more of a market for EMUs now (I suspect that this is the case and the new ones will go much quicker) but I still reckon some modern peaks are a safe bet!

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43 minutes ago, fezza said:

it would worry me as a retailer if I'd got stuff that was ten years old which hadn't sold and more was on its way for which I was expected to pay double the price...

 

 

No doubt it would worry you, but you do seem to be starting to come across as rather excessively fanatical over Farish prices. I don't see hoards of model rail retailers with mountains of unsold 10 year old stock; as Tom said there may be the odd exception but it's not the rule. And, of course, the Farish range is usually just a very small part of a shop's overall stock inventory so is very unlikely to have a big impact if it were true.

 

Due to batch production it's very difficult to find anything from much more than a few years ago. I think in general (with the odd to be expected blip due to exceptional circumstances) Farish/Kader have the supply to demand matching pretty much spot on. If it was wrong no doubt they'd have to reconsider prices, but currently they don't seem to be.

 

If there's any justifiable criticism I'd suggest it was length of development and getting things to market. But then we all know about the current worldwide distribution and logistics situation; a killer virus pandemic, delays to shipping, shortages of containers and truck drivers, blockages in the Suez and so on.

 

 

 

 

 

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Well for small retailers who specialise in N gauge it could be an issue, although you are right of course the likes of Hattons aren't going to worry too much.

 

I suppose Farish need to thank their lucky stars that they have had "fanatical" fans like me for over thirty years, but I don't think their prices are doing much to popularise the n gauge hobby or bring in new people. Lockdown has pushed up prices in many "collector" sectors (subbuteo, slot cars etc) but railways are about the most expensive and most susceptible to a "bubble" effect as old collectors die off and disposable income runs out post Covid.  Don't be surprised if there's a market readjustment on the way. 

 

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32 minutes ago, fezza said:

Well for small retailers who specialise in N gauge it could be an issue, although you are right of course the likes of Hattons aren't going to worry too much.

 

 

It'd only be an issue to a retailer who mainly stocked Farish and had mountains of 10 year old stock - but  there aren't any. Usually we hear complaints that people can't get the older models in N gauge and that consequently the range is limited, rather than that shops are stocked full of them

 

And even N gauge specialists will also have a range from other manufacturers; Dapol, Kato, RT, Fleischman, Arnold, the US ones, plus all the accessory and building kit manufacturers like Peco, ODC, Faller, Knightwing, Ratio, etc.,. Check out Osborns who specialise in N.

 

AFAIA Hattons no longer stock any Bachmann products, both N (Farish) and OO (Mainline) which many thought would possibly be a tricky ask for them, but it doesn't appear to have been. 

 

People have been forecasting market readjustments in the model railway industry for many years, but it hasn't come. It still exists and plods on. Generally things have gradually evolved to face changing times and challenges rather than there being sudden seismic shifts and massive dynamic changes.

 

 

 

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1 hour ago, grahame said:

 

 

 

AFAIA Hattons no longer stock any Bachmann products, both N (Farish) and OO (Mainline) which many thought would possibly be a tricky ask for them, but it doesn't appear to have been. 

 

People have been forecasting market readjustments in the model railway industry for many years, but it hasn't come. It still exists and plods on. Generally things have gradually evolved to face changing times and challenges rather than there being sudden seismic shifts and massive dynamic changes.

 

 

 

 

I think that fezza's point was that as Hattons don't stock Farish/Bachmann they are not impacted by kader's supply/price model.

 

I would call the rise of Revolution etc a significant market readjustment, ditto the potential for more Kato. OK its not overnight but the %age of my total spend which is spent on Farish products has halved over the last four years.  

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4 minutes ago, Bomag said:

the %age of my total spend which is spent on Farish products has halved over the last four years.  

 

The percentage of individuals spend will fluctuate over time dependant on what is being produced and whether it tickles ones fancy. Currently my spend with Dapol has recently increased (class 33s, 50s and HST prototype) but it will switch back to Farish when the class 319 becomes available. For me RT has not been a significant change in my spend pattern - little of what they have produced is of much interest - but they are a welcome addition to the range and will no doubt tempt some to order. The rise of crowd funding and switch to pre-ordering has been of interest but is not a seismic sea-change.

 

 

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2 hours ago, fezza said:

Well for small retailers who specialise in N gauge it could be an issue, although you are right of course the likes of Hattons aren't going to worry too much.

 

I suppose Farish need to thank their lucky stars that they have had "fanatical" fans like me for over thirty years, but I don't think their prices are doing much to popularise the n gauge hobby or bring in new people. Lockdown has pushed up prices in many "collector" sectors (subbuteo, slot cars etc) but railways are about the most expensive and most susceptible to a "bubble" effect as old collectors die off and disposable income runs out post Covid.  Don't be surprised if there's a market readjustment on the way. 

 

Sorry, I call rubbish on that. For a start Bachmann's prices are rising in OO too, nothing to do with N, which generally remains cheaper than OO. Dapol's prices are on the up too - £135 for the new 59, and that'll go up before they land. That's very much on par with Farish's releases. Revolution's 92 was £175 in the shops, but I didn't hear howls of derision.

 

Model railways is not a particularly expensive hobby, even within "collector" circles, I certainly don't think it's "the" most expensive, I'm not even sure how you'd quantify that. You can buy a starter set for £100 all in, £20 of wood and be away. You don't ever need to spend another penny. The expense is in the idea we 'need' more stock, and that the new variant of XBQ wagon, with the Mayhoffen discharge chute fitted to the left hand side of bay number 3, and the erroneous logo, as worn for 20 minutes in July 1982 is utterly essential to our continued happiness.


Complaints about the older participants dying off and not being replaced by 'new blood' are as old as the hobby itself, it just isn't true.

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2 hours ago, njee20 said:

Sorry, I call rubbish on that. For a start Bachmann's prices are rising in OO too, nothing to do with N, which generally remains cheaper than OO. Dapol's prices are on the up too - £135 for the new 59, and that'll go up before they land. That's very much on par with Farish's releases. Revolution's 92 was £175 in the shops, but I didn't hear howls of derision.

 

 

Price rises are inevitable in any/all walks of life and manufacturing, but I think the biggest issue nowadays, and I've said this before, is the batch production process, in that it's the 'if you don't buy it now, you'll not see it again' now if you couple that with the price rises that is where the biggest issue comes in, in my humble opinion.

 

As an example, I can accept the MK2 coach price of £45-£50 a coach if it can be guaranteed that I can lay my hands on them over a 1 to 2 year period, I simply cannot afford to replace 20 older style Farish MK2's with 20 new style ones in one hit. I'm happy to replace them over time, maybe 1 or 2 a month but they'll all be bought up by those with the ability to buy them in one hit or greater quantities than I can afford, but I get that Retailers don't want hundreds of pounds worth of stock lying on their shelves in the hope that more people like me come along on a monthly basis and buys a couple at a time, it'd be nice if some Retailers did so that and in the past they did but not nowadays.

 

The example of Revolutions 92 is a bit of a poor example in my opinion, because Revolutions business model is completely different to Bachmanns, if you bought the 92 at the early bird price it was available at £135 and there was plenty of notice for that price kicking around, and it's the same for any Revolution product get in early for the cheaper price, don't order early enough then you'll have to pay the higher price, at least they're up front about that!!

 

I'm having to seriously think about which of their latest wagons best fit my requirements, I would like to pre-order most of them but I can't afford all of them in one hit.

 

Now I realise that this is missive is personal to me, but I'm sure there are lot's of other modellers in the same boat as I am, with small amounts of disposable income at the moment.

 

Hope most of what I've written makes sense and doesn't sound to whingey ;)

 

Cheers

 

Neal. 

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I get that you're right, but the mk5s are also £45 a coach, the IIAs are £40 a wagon etc. Yes, ok, you could have pre-ordered a 92 earlier and got it cheaper; I think the early bird was more like £125 IIRC, but even so... I'm not singling Revolution out by any means, merely observing that the wailing and gnashing of teeth which goes with "Farish's prices are excessive" seems unfounded to me. There are some anomalies - Farish clearly seek parity in the pricing of new and old, so you get things like the 170 at a huge price rise, to keep it in line with the forthcoming 158, whilst Dapol appear a bit more pragmatic, and will just live with a disparity between the price of ostensibly similar models.

 

The batch production isn't new either, yes ok in the Poole-era days you could always buy a NSE mk2 coach, but the range was extremely limited, and the quality poor. I do know what you mean about the cost - and I'm the same. Ironically I think it's compounded by the new quarterly announcements, as you've got the potential for something to suddenly land and sell out quickly, without the benefit of planning; not that I'm any good with that! To revisit Revolution I decided to pass on the MMAs, I'd really like a rake, but just couldn't justify the expense alongside other wagons (particularly when I can design and print some poor-quality copies myself!). I bought another Pendolino instead.

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5 hours ago, acg5324 said:

The three latest versions of the c108 landed in York this week. 

I rather like the blue with headcode version and the white, but I already have three 108 sets, do I need more?

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9 hours ago, acg5324 said:

The three latest versions of the c108 landed in York this week. 

I'm seriously considering indulging here, always had a soft spot for the blue/white and it's great to see it appear in 'N'.  Having recently sourced a couple of new two-car blue-grey ones I'm astounded at how great they look... they just look so 'right'....and how smoothly they run.  Must be contender for best N gauge DMU.  The new ones are listed as having interior lighting which I think must be new for this model - I wonder how this would be controlled on DCC?

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5 hours ago, woodenhead said:

I rather like the blue with headcode version and the white, but I already have three 108 sets, do I need more?

 

And more importantly can you remortgage your house in order to buy them?

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1 hour ago, Crepello said:

Not long now till the next quarterly announcement. Will it be something for my Christmas list?

Which Christmas????

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We have been told that there will be more for the N modeller announced for Q3 but I will not be waiting with bated breath for the announcements this quarter. I think the most we could hope for is maybe a new tool steam loco (after the 69 announcement diesel seems covered) but I am ready to be disappointed again. 

 

Roy

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