Calidore Posted February 7, 2021 Share Posted February 7, 2021 (edited) Hello all, A research question -- does anyone have good photos (or leads to the same in particular books, websites etc) of the bay platform at Waterloo, between platforms 11 and 12 as-were? I've been gradually collecting some as and when I've found them over the past year or so, but most follow the same format of a close crop focussed on whichever engine was present. It's one of those annoying places where you can try to piece together a picture from dozens of different images, but between them they don't quite all tell you what you want to know. Steam era would be ideal but it doesn't matter too much. The closest I've come to an estimate is the photo here, which suggests the length of the platform (which conveniently stopped level with the start of the overall roof) must have been 4 CCT-length vans plus what looks to be a 3MT or 4MT tank. Would anyone concur or strongly disagree? https://flashbak.com/wonderful-20th-century-pictures-waterloo-station-59318/waterloo-station-from-shell-tower-c-march-1964/ Ideally I'd be interested in anything more side-on but wider at ground level, and anything giving a sense of the angle of the curvature either side as well. I've requested a couple of images from Britain From Above already, but thought I'd ask here as well in case anyone can recommend a good resource. Thanks in advance. Adam Edited February 7, 2021 by Calidore Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold ikcdab Posted February 7, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 7, 2021 Does something like this give you what you want? https://maps.nls.uk/geo/explore/#zoom=18.394819627442143&lat=51.50164&lon=-0.11401&layers=170&b=1 Ian 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Holliday Posted February 7, 2021 Share Posted February 7, 2021 Is this the right area? Taken from Britain From Above - I'd like to know if the requested images from them are clearer than just zooming in on their website as I've done. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold phil_sutters Posted February 7, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 7, 2021 Waterloo Station is just outside the boundary of the London Borough of Southwark, however its mapping service maps, for some dates, do reach over far enough. It takes a little while to load. Making sure that you have the default configuration showing, go to the base map drop-down layer menu near the top right of the page. There you will find maps and aerial views. The latter are mainly modern satellite views. There are no 3D or angled options. You can zoom in or out using Control + scroll . https://geo.southwark.gov.uk/connect/analyst/mobile/#/main Whether that helps or not I don't know 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bécasse Posted February 7, 2021 Share Posted February 7, 2021 Looking at one of the aerial photos above, it seems that the non-fouling capacity of the platform was five U-vans (or Cavells as they were known to the staff), or four with a pilot loco attached. Anything more, attaching a loco for example, would foul the adjacent platform but not (within reason of course) the throat and so could be allowed, but normally only briefly. Does the BTF film "Terminus" provide any insight? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Turnbull Posted February 7, 2021 Share Posted February 7, 2021 These two photos probably come under the "closely cropped" category but I'll post them both in case there is anything of interest to you. On 30th May 1967 80085 was in the bay Just over a year later on 7th September 1968 E6012 was there. In my defence I would point out that I was 15 when I took the earlier photo and was more interested in recording the last knockings of steam in a London terminus. Chris Turnbull 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Holliday Posted February 7, 2021 Share Posted February 7, 2021 If you can get hold of a copy of the 2019 South Western Circle Monograph No. 10 - Waterloo Signalling Part 2 - there are several good photos of the loading bay area. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calidore Posted February 7, 2021 Author Share Posted February 7, 2021 Wow -- even by RMWeb standards, that was a fast and comprehensive answer to my question! Thank you everyone for taking the time to reply, and for posting sources / images. I don't know how I didn't think of checking for a map, but that would have been rather an obvious place to look! @Nick Holliday you seem to have managed a much better resolution / clarity than I could when zooming on those aerial photos. Thanks. Adam Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nearholmer Posted February 7, 2021 Share Posted February 7, 2021 If you sign-up to Britain from Above, the images are presented to you in astonishingly high res. It costs nothing, and I guess they only ask people to sign-up to prevent casual over-demand on their servers. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wickham Green too Posted February 8, 2021 Share Posted February 8, 2021 This of any use ? ..... looking out rather than concentrating on 73.132 that was beautifully lit at the buffers. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calidore Posted February 8, 2021 Author Share Posted February 8, 2021 (edited) It certainly is -- thank you @Wickham Green too! Even the geometry of the point seems to be slightly different from every angle -- although given the disc shunt signals have been replaced with colour lights this is presumably very late? So perhaps some realignment had actually taken place by the time of this photo. In most others it seems a fairly balanced 'y', perhaps if anything with the straight road and the diverging road slightly the other direction to what appears here. Trying to account for foreshortening and funny angles is a dark art in itself. Edit -- checking some other photos again, the formation is definitely realigned. In earlier photos the road visible in the foreground here, and the point, bend towards platform 12 (on the right as viewed in your photo) rather than away from it and towards 11. Adam Edited February 8, 2021 by Calidore Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wickham Green too Posted February 9, 2021 Share Posted February 9, 2021 9 hours ago, Calidore said: .... this is presumably very late? .... Depends on your definition of late ! .............. thirty six years ago tomorrow as it happens. Note the stop-block on the near rail .......... not very common in British practise. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bécasse Posted February 9, 2021 Share Posted February 9, 2021 7 minutes ago, Wickham Green too said: Note the stop-block on the near rail .......... not very common in British practise. Not very common in Southern practice, the LNER was a fairly avid user of them, calling them derailers. The photo probably dates from the 1980s or possibly the late 1970s. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wickham Green too Posted February 9, 2021 Share Posted February 9, 2021 Sorry I wasn't sure about the terminology ....... you'd struggle to get up enough speed in the milk dock to achieve a derailment in this instance ! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Turnbull Posted February 9, 2021 Share Posted February 9, 2021 Here's another photo taken by a young Chris Turnbull on 30th May 1967 and, as far as I can tell, shows a view in the opposite direction to Wickham Green too's view. It corresponds to the aerial shots posted earlier and seems to show that some track alteration has taken place in the intervening period. 82019 is on the left, 41298 on the right. Chris Turnbull 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calidore Posted February 9, 2021 Author Share Posted February 9, 2021 3 hours ago, Wickham Green too said: Depends on your definition of late ! .............. thirty six years ago tomorrow as it happens. Note the stop-block on the near rail .......... not very common in British practise. Indeed -- there's something on the Waterloo signalling diagram marked 'rail scotch' at this position, one for each road on the dock, and I've always wondered what it was. Presumably these are the items in question! @Chris Turnbull that's a very atmospheric photo and is indeed helpful re track arrangement. 82019 really gets in everywhere, too -- BRDatabase suggests she was allocated to Nine Elms from Nov 62 to July 67, but in that time seems to have appeared in almost every other photo taken around this area! Pilot at Waterloo, ECS workings to Clapham, and there's even a photo of her on the down goods road through Queens Road with a goods train, presumably having just departed the Nine Elms goods yard. As your photo shows she eventually had smokebox door hinges picked out in white so maybe she was considered something of a celebrity with crews by the end as well. Adam Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Turnbull Posted February 9, 2021 Share Posted February 9, 2021 82019 was probably in fairly good nick. At 15 I was slightly older by a few months! Something built in 2006 would be a similar age today. Chris Turnbull 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wickham Green too Posted March 24, 2021 Share Posted March 24, 2021 (edited) Another shot looking away from the buffers - though the infrastructure's largely hidden by 'traffic' and bods. ( 15/5/71 ) Edited April 21, 2022 by Wickham Green too Photo reinstated 3 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calidore Posted March 29, 2021 Author Share Posted March 29, 2021 On 24/03/2021 at 12:07, Wickham Green too said: Another shot looking away from the buffers - though the infrastructure's largely hidden by 'traffic' and bods. ( 15/5/71 ) Wonderful photo regardless! Thanks. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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