atom3624 Posted February 13, 2021 Share Posted February 13, 2021 (edited) 4 hours ago, landscapes said: Hi Al Thanks for the reply Certainly a big improvement on that hideous green that Hornby produced. If I may make one comment regarding your lamps. The lamps you have on the front buffer beam, are they Springside lamps as they do look quite large If you haven’t seen them before have a look and Lanarkshire Model Services lamps, they do two types for LNER and they are superb and the correct size in scale. And much cheaper than the Springside ones. They look much better on the loco, they are a bit fiddly if you want to drill a small hole in them to fit over the lamp irons but well worth it for looks. I have them on all my locos now, I first saw them on Tony Wright’s thread. Regards David Hi David, It's an open forum, and all can comment - within reason of course! I've had a look and they're not bad at all. Must admit, other Springside lamps are smaller - their BR lamps do appear on the large side. I don't mind painting and tinkering, but the S/S ones are pre-painted with the little glass slithers / crystals in. I think I need a heater in the garage, then I'll be more willing to linger!! Otherwise, it's another month or so before I'll stay more than one hour there - that's where 'the tinkering' gets done. Thanks for the thumbs up on the A2/2 - quite pleased myself. I've tried again to push out the smokebox door - not having it, so I may have 'the one' which really has been constructed properly!! UPDATE: They say persistence wins ... finally pushed the door off - pinged halfway across the (carpeted) living room - no damage!! Without filling the smokebox, I added 65g of lead - much happier - with the performance it has, it should be pretty amazing now and doesn't seem to be too nose-heavy either. Remember I added quite a lot of weight to the tender, the combined weight is now ~565g. Al. Edited February 13, 2021 by atom3624 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
robmcg Posted February 13, 2021 Author Share Posted February 13, 2021 (edited) 4 hours ago, davidw said: Here is my model of A1/1 Great Northern. It was converted from a Hornby A3 using Graeme King's superb resin parts and Morgan Gilbert's etched valve gear. Morgan did the conversion and the painting. I subsequently weathered it. After a house move my 1960 ish ECML is being built in the attic. Just lovely! I have feeling that this engine might have been better than its reputation, why else would BR have genen it a general overhaul in 1961? I mean, they knew what they were doing, didn't they? and in case it escaped anyone's notice here is my mis-mash edited creation... with CotN boiler colour a la Hornby. And black cylinders! Edited February 13, 2021 by robmcg 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
robmcg Posted February 13, 2021 Author Share Posted February 13, 2021 In looking at my A2/2 photos alas all concocted from ads and edited I could not help but notice how the livery assessment models were rather richer than the production models in their rendition of green... I look forward to receipt of my pristine CotN and weathered ToF in the next week or two.... not only to see if they are intact but also to see the green for myself... 2 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Les1952 Posted February 13, 2021 Share Posted February 13, 2021 2 hours ago, bike2steam said: That's interesting as they were only classified as 7F?? From the Peter Coster book- the train was a heavy fitted one and the 9F problem wasn't shifting it but running it to time. Les 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
robmcg Posted February 13, 2021 Author Share Posted February 13, 2021 (edited) 43 minutes ago, Les1952 said: From the Peter Coster book- the train was a heavy fitted one and the 9F problem wasn't shifting it but running it to time. Les Actually the Thomson A2s were brilliant at heavy loads at highish speeds up to 75mph, and that what they were built for. 50sq ft grate, free-steaming, lots of cylinder capacity, 600 + tons up hill and down dale, well, it was a good theory... What could possibly go wrong? Pity about the ride and the frames and the leaks. Edited February 13, 2021 by robmcg 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
64F Posted February 14, 2021 Share Posted February 14, 2021 (edited) Returning to the appearance of the Thompson pacifics, I think the rebuilt Great Northern was a handsome locomotive in its short-lived initial state with the Thompson cab. The curve of the running board under the cab was more in keeping with that at the front of the locomotive, and the bottom of the firebox below the running board provided a visual balance for the ugly exposed frames over the front bogie. Obviously it was not as graceful as the Gresley original, but it had a powerful, modern appearance. Reverting to the Gresley-style firebox and cab produced a visual disharmony between the utilitarian front and the flowing lines of the rear which spoiled the appearance of all the Thompson pacifics IMHO. That said, I look forward to my Steady Aim. Edited February 14, 2021 by 64F 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
landscapes Posted February 14, 2021 Share Posted February 14, 2021 16 hours ago, davidw said: Here is my model of A1/1 Great Northern. It was converted from a Hornby A3 using Graeme King's superb resin parts and Morgan Gilbert's etched valve gear. Morgan did the conversion and the painting. I subsequently weathered it. After a house move my 1960 ish ECML is being built in the attic. Hi David Thats a lovely looking locomotive and very nicely weathered. With Hornby’s introduction of the A2/2 I now have an example of every class of LNER pacific with the exceptions of A1/1 60113 Great Northern and the W1 60700 but I doubt if either ever got to Haymarket in the 1958/59 period so I will have to pass on both. Regards David 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
landscapes Posted February 14, 2021 Share Posted February 14, 2021 12 hours ago, robmcg said: In looking at my A2/2 photos alas all concocted from ads and edited I could not help but notice how the livery assessment models were rather richer than the production models in their rendition of green... I look forward to receipt of my pristine CotN and weathered ToF in the next week or two.... not only to see if they are intact but also to see the green for myself... Hi Rob Lovely picture shows off all the power of the A2/2’s, if only Hornby could have produced it in a green livery similar to your photo. I do quite a bit of photoshopping on my photos I take on Haymarket, like adding backgrounds and photo stacking but for the life of me I do not know how you produce those fabulous images. Please keep them coming. Regards David 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
robmcg Posted February 21, 2021 Author Share Posted February 21, 2021 No sooner said than done, courtesy TMC and a dollop of artistic license. Hardly any mods to the actual model. Lovely! 8 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
railroadbill Posted February 21, 2021 Share Posted February 21, 2021 Ace picture, Rob! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Black Hat Posted February 22, 2021 Share Posted February 22, 2021 On 14/02/2021 at 09:04, landscapes said: Lovely picture shows off all the power of the A2/2’s, if only Hornby could have produced it in a green livery similar to your photo. Nothing a tin of matt varnish won't fix. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Les1952 Posted February 22, 2021 Share Posted February 22, 2021 2 hours ago, The Black Hat said: Nothing a tin of matt varnish won't fix. and enough grot to weather the livery almost out of existence...... Les Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
robmcg Posted February 23, 2021 Author Share Posted February 23, 2021 (edited) Or simply live with it as is... slightly edited here and there, the first Pacific of the BR era to be withdrawn, unloved... (sob) I no longer have the skills or dexterity or eyesight to do what others such as landscapes have done, so my digital picture-making will have to do. What a fine model, if you are lucky enough to receive a good 'un, or of a mind to fix an imperfect one. Edited February 23, 2021 by robmcg added comment 1 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
robmcg Posted March 1, 2021 Author Share Posted March 1, 2021 Or you can have an A2/2 pristine if you prefer... Stunning models these. No argument permitted! 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
robmcg Posted March 1, 2021 Author Share Posted March 1, 2021 (edited) removed as repetition Edited March 5, 2021 by robmcg Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
robmcg Posted March 5, 2021 Author Share Posted March 5, 2021 (edited) With considerable discussion the A2/2 and A2/3 thread about the Hornby version of Brunswick green, several people have shown excellent examples of weathering and re-painting, landscapes and Market65 among them. I being less adept as such things have chosen to try to modify the look of the livery with computer methods, here is R3830 60501 with the green something like 40% darker and a bit more yellow, and below that a copy of a weathered Bachmann or kit-built A2... I forget which, I just matched the colours and lining. The tender in both cases is the Hornby livery darkened, and Hornby for this model and perhaps Hornby use more red than Bachmann who use straw or orange for lining? Either way it's a fine model and a lot of fun to mess with, albeit in a virtual way here. Edited March 5, 2021 by robmcg usual fumbling 2 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
landscapes Posted March 5, 2021 Share Posted March 5, 2021 7 hours ago, robmcg said: With considerable discussion the A2/2 and A2/3 thread about the Hornby version of Brunswick green, several people have shown excellent examples of weathering and re-painting, landscapes and Market65 among them. I being less adept as such things have chosen to try to modify the look of the livery with computer methods, here is R3830 60501 with the green something like 40% darker and a bit more yellow, and below that a copy of a weathered Bachmann or kit-built A2... I forget which, I just matched the colours and lining. The tender in both cases is the Hornby livery darkened, and Hornby for this model and perhaps Hornby use more red than Bachmann who use straw or orange for lining? Either way it's a fine model and a lot of fun to mess with, albeit in a virtual way here. Hi Robbie Two very nice portraits Regards David 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
robmcg Posted March 6, 2021 Author Share Posted March 6, 2021 Thanks David, I think they both look great, and the Bachmann style lower version is certainly interesting to my eye. Never having seen the real things I have to rely on photos, and even then, light, smoke, stam, lubricant, and wear and tear wrought so many variations Now that the A2/3s are being sold by retailers we shall soon know if there is further scope for re-liveries and re-numberings. I look forward to it! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
robmcg Posted March 6, 2021 Author Share Posted March 6, 2021 (edited) Again for fun I converted an A2/2 to Bachmann livery a la 60534 'Irish Elegance'. At least that's where the colours and lining were from. A bit rough needs tidying. which was originally a bit like this.. In some ways I prefer the red lining on the Hornby but the obvious answer is make it entirely work-stained! Or if only Hornby had kept the livery evaluation colours as per the pic at or near the top of this page.... Will 60523 'Sun Castle' look as good as this? We shall soon find out. Edited March 7, 2021 by robmcg usual errors 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
davidw Posted March 7, 2021 Share Posted March 7, 2021 (edited) 9 hours ago, robmcg said: Again for fun I converted an A2/2 to Bachmann livery a la 60534 'Irish Elegance'. At least that's where the colours and lining were from. A bit rough needs tidying. which was originally a bit like this.. In some ways I prefer the red lining on the Hornby but the obvious answer is make it entirely work-stained! Or if only Hornby had kept the livery evaluation colours as per the pic at or near the top of this page.... Will 60523 'Sun Castle' look as good as this? We shall soon find out. Personally I really don't like Bachmann's interpretation of BR livery. Particularly the lining. It's too bright and too thick. With a coat of clear the Hornby livery interpretation can be made much better. Though admittedly the choice of green for the Thompson's isn't as good as on other locos and as it could be. Edited March 7, 2021 by davidw 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hroth Posted March 7, 2021 Share Posted March 7, 2021 Help! I've begun to look like the Thompson Pacifics.... Have you still got a P2 to hand? Lets have a before and after shot of Cock O The North! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
atom3624 Posted March 7, 2021 Share Posted March 7, 2021 The model is great - mine was one of those 'better ones' which do appear to be many. It's just the paint finish and boiler bands that really stuff it up. Nothing an 'experienced modeller' of which there are obviously many here, can't sort out, but shouldn't have to. Al. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
landscapes Posted March 7, 2021 Share Posted March 7, 2021 13 hours ago, robmcg said: Again for fun I converted an A2/2 to Bachmann livery a la 60534 'Irish Elegance'. At least that's where the colours and lining were from. A bit rough needs tidying. which was originally a bit like this.. In some ways I prefer the red lining on the Hornby but the obvious answer is make it entirely work-stained! Or if only Hornby had kept the livery evaluation colours as per the pic at or near the top of this page.... Will 60523 'Sun Castle' look as good as this? We shall soon find out. Hi Robbie Your images are exceptional, if you don’t already I would sell them there must be a market for these lovely pictures. If you don’t mind me saying they look like a cross between a photo and a painting. Regards David 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
robmcg Posted March 7, 2021 Author Share Posted March 7, 2021 (edited) 11 hours ago, Hroth said: Help! I've begun to look like the Thompson Pacifics.... Have you still got a P2 to hand? Lets have a before and after shot of Cock O The North! I have plenty of P2 2001 pictures but the before and after shots really are painful! And then there were the Bugatti-nose variations... so you mean to turn this dog's breakfast of an engine thus, into a graceful well-proportioned piece de resistance like this... Say no more. Actually I wonder if the A2/2 valve gear will fit the Bugatti P2s? I was going to say, 'just as well we had Stanier to show the way', but then I thought better of it. Edited March 7, 2021 by robmcg added comment 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Ian Hargrave Posted March 7, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 7, 2021 7 hours ago, landscapes said: Hi Robbie Your images are exceptional, if you don’t already I would sell them there must be a market for these lovely pictures. If you don’t mind me saying they look like a cross between a photo and a painting. Regards David Rob is the 21st C Cuneo and Sheppard .If appropriately presented....and there’s the trick....one of his would hang on the wall with deeply satisfying results. This is now an acceptable art form. And why not..? . 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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