locomad2 Posted February 16, 2021 Share Posted February 16, 2021 Someone must have tried this before, putting a unrebuilt West Country or Battle of Britain body onto rebuilt one. With the cost of the un-rebuilt ones fetching silly prices even just for the bodies, so I looked around for a suitable body. Found in the scrap box a complete Kitmaster kit, reasonable built, with a few bits missing. No doubt part of a "box of bits" purchased under the counter for next to nothing or just given away in car park after the show or toy fair. Few minutes later after the screwdriver split the glue body / chassis comes apart, just placed on top of a Triang Wrenn chassis to decide good fit, does it look right? etc Yes more work to do the cylinders are angled raise body or cut ?. Position of body forward/back ? Too much overhang from Ringfield. Fit front buffer beam, or lengthen it a bit, since it is a "neverwas" prefer to get it to look right than actual diagram cause there was never one. Tender looks ok. Only other issue it will lose some weight but then they were light weights 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golden Fleece 30 Posted February 16, 2021 Share Posted February 16, 2021 I don't know what you are actually trying to do as a Neverwazza. In real life un-rebuilt locos never had outside valve gear. If this is your own design of how it might have looked then leave the cylinders horizontal as they are now. Garry Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Il Grifone Posted February 16, 2021 Share Posted February 16, 2021 (edited) I stuck an A4 chassis under mine, less valve gear and fitted with BFB wheels. Still to finish of course. Slipping is true to prototype.... Wrenn bodies were on sale on eBay recently, but I don't know if they are still available Edited February 16, 2021 by Il Grifone 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SRman Posted February 16, 2021 Share Posted February 16, 2021 I did something similar many years ago, using two Airfix/Kitmaster bodies cut and joined through the firebox to make a Merchant Navy, mounted on a Wrenn chassis with the valve gear removed. I didn't widen the cab, although I really should have. The smoke deflectors were enlarged, and the body profile widened and curved a little more using very hot water. For the tender, I added sheet brass overlays. The end result is shown below. Merchant Navy 35015 Blue - 1 by Jeffrey Lynn, on Flickr 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete_mcfarlane Posted February 16, 2021 Share Posted February 16, 2021 34110 would be the loco to model, as there were supposedly plans to build it with conventional valve gear as a comparison with the other locos. In the end it came out with the chain driven gear like the others. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sagaguy Posted February 17, 2021 Share Posted February 17, 2021 Here`s 92 Squadron,Dapol body on a modified Dublo Barnstaple chassis. Ray 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
locomad2 Posted February 17, 2021 Author Share Posted February 17, 2021 1 hour ago, pete_mcfarlane said: 34110 would be the loco to model, as there were supposedly plans to build it with conventional valve gear as a comparison with the other locos. In the end it came out with the chain driven gear like the others. Thanks knew somewhere I read and almost sure seen a picture of one with conventional value gear but retaining the cladding which I was led to believe could be put though coach washing plants Getting there 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Il Grifone Posted February 17, 2021 Share Posted February 17, 2021 (edited) AFAIK the carriage washing plant was just an excuse for streamlining air-smoothing. I have a feeling that a steam locomotive and washing plant would be somewhat incompatible.... There were serious shortages of materials while they were being built and the less than successful chain driven valvegear was a result of this. Edited February 18, 2021 by Il Grifone 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bike2steam Posted February 17, 2021 Share Posted February 17, 2021 10 hours ago, SRman said: Merchant Navy 35015 Blue - 1 by Jeffrey Lynn, on Flickr When I scrolled down and saw this pic, my first thought was 'ah a 00 gauge Graham Farish Merchant Navy' from the 1950's, then looked closer!!?? 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sagaguy Posted February 17, 2021 Share Posted February 17, 2021 The Dapol tender body from this kit is an exact fit on a Dublo/Wrenn WC tender chassis. Ray. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
David_Belcher Posted February 17, 2021 Share Posted February 17, 2021 19 hours ago, Golden Fleece 30 said: I don't know what you are actually trying to do as a Neverwazza. In real life un-rebuilt locos never had outside valve gear. If this is your own design of how it might have looked then leave the cylinders horizontal as they are now. Garry Wasn't there a proposal to fit at least one unrebuilt loco with outside Walschaerts in the early/mid 50s due to ongoing issues with chain drive and oil baths? I forget where I saw this but couldn't 100% swear to it without a literature reference. David Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silverfox17 Posted February 17, 2021 Share Posted February 17, 2021 42 minutes ago, David_Belcher said: Wasn't there a proposal to fit at least one unrebuilt loco with outside Walschaerts in the early/mid 50s due to ongoing issues with chain drive and oil baths? I forget where I saw this but couldn't 100% swear to it without a literature reference. David There might have been a proposal but it was not actually done. Someone said there was a photo or drawing about it but if a photo was seen then it was an edited one as it never existed. Garry Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
David_Belcher Posted February 17, 2021 Share Posted February 17, 2021 17 minutes ago, Silverfox17 said: There might have been a proposal but it was not actually done. Someone said there was a photo or drawing about it but if a photo was seen then it was an edited one as it never existed. Garry Yup, just a line drawing of a proposal, I think. Possibly Brian Haresnape's book? David Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gilwell Park Posted March 14, 2021 Share Posted March 14, 2021 I read somewhere that Bullied intended to use rotary shaft drive as with a Caprotti drive but the necessary gears were not available during wartime. Might have been better than chain drive in the long run. Roger 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Il Grifone Posted March 16, 2021 Share Posted March 16, 2021 I gather there were problems with the chains stretching due to the non-availability of the correct materials. Again we had just finished one war and got dragged into another. We just had to have our own atomic bomb and similar expensive and useless rubbish as well.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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