PieGuyRob Posted February 18, 2021 Share Posted February 18, 2021 I presume a Hornby HST TGS xan be converted to loco hauled stock. Some of the jumper cable sockets would need to be removed, due to the different electrical systems, and, buffers would need to added. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PieGuyRob Posted February 18, 2021 Author Share Posted February 18, 2021 Has anyone ever done this conversion? If so, what is needed? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold jonnyuk Posted February 18, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 18, 2021 i seem to remember another member has been doing this, recently posted an update...might be in this section or under the prototypical section. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PieGuyRob Posted February 18, 2021 Author Share Posted February 18, 2021 Ok, thank you for your reply. I am new to this forum, and, this is my first post. I travelled on all 3 carriages when in use with Virgin West Coast back in the late '90's. I have also travelled on 2 of them in use with GWR on the night Riviera. I always thought they were a bit of an anachronism due to the 82/1 DVT's then in use on the WCML, but, they now have seem to find their way so to speak. I currently have 2 class 57/ 6 models, so want an accurate train to put behind them, ranging from the motorail vans, to the mk2 and mk3 mixture, to the pure mk3 rakes. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PieGuyRob Posted February 18, 2021 Author Share Posted February 18, 2021 If you could post a link to the other thread that would be appreciated! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bomag Posted February 18, 2021 Share Posted February 18, 2021 (edited) The BFO had a much bigger guards/van space than the TGS The TGS has 7 full size windows then a normal pillar to a small window, a van space and the door and a 1/3rd . The BFO has 6 full size windows a wider pillar than normal, a full width window the van space and the door and a 1/3rd. The BFO, being a MK3b has integral tail lights whereas the TGS is plain. There is also some differences in the underframe modules. The roof should be the same. Recently an extra window has been added to the van space in at least 17173. There are several threads on the BFO, they were originally planned to test 125mph running for ECML hauled stock with the Class 89. When this was swapped for the 140mph Mk4 and 91s they were orphaned but then seen as solving a problem with the 1st only Manchester Pullman (and advertised as being built for it). Due to the delays in construction this became irrelevant as the MP went dual class. The were used as the only brake vehicle in the Glasgow portion of the 1986/87 Clansman, otherwise they were used as extra FO's. Generally guards tended to use these as opposed to any NHA BG tacked on the end as the ride was better - it only stirred the tea rather than spill it. Edited February 18, 2021 by Bomag 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Johnster Posted February 19, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 19, 2021 The BGs were also a lot more draughty and colder in bad weather. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mackenzie546 Posted February 25, 2021 Share Posted February 25, 2021 Hi there, i have recently done the conversion, but i did it from a mk3a tso as then i could use and oxford one for the jumper cables, however it doesnt have the extra door peice, but i may add this from a donor coach at a later date. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mackenzie546 Posted February 25, 2021 Share Posted February 25, 2021 (edited) On 18/02/2021 at 15:00, Bomag said: The BFO had a much bigger guards/van space than the TGS The TGS has 7 full size windows then a normal pillar to a small window, a van space and the door and a 1/3rd . The BFO has 6 full size windows a wider pillar than normal, a full width window the van space and the door and a 1/3rd. The BFO, being a MK3b has integral tail lights whereas the TGS is plain. There is also some differences in the underframe modules. The roof should be the same. Recently an extra window has been added to the van space in at least 17173. There are several threads on the BFO, they were originally planned to test 125mph running for ECML hauled stock with the Class 89. When this was swapped for the 140mph Mk4 and 91s they were orphaned but then seen as solving a problem with the 1st only Manchester Pullman (and advertised as being built for it). Due to the delays in construction this became irrelevant as the MP went dual class. The were used as the only brake vehicle in the Glasgow portion of the 1986/87 Clansman, otherwise they were used as extra FO's. Generally guards tended to use these as opposed to any NHA BG tacked on the end as the ride was better - it only stirred the tea rather than spill it. AFAIK all BFOs had 6 windows then a large pillar then another window on each side, then FGW put in an 8th on the corridor side, and then it was removed when the coaches were converted to BSOs during 2018 refurbishment, at which point the buffet was extensively refurbished, and the TSO had disabled facilities put in. Edited February 25, 2021 by Mackenzie546 made it a bit easier to understand Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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