w124bob Posted December 30, 2021 Share Posted December 30, 2021 I've now checked both the official Sulzer manuals and the Ian Allan's from the period, the Sulzer manual makes no reference to the supplier of various electrical components. As they are "Drivers Manuals" this is really irrelevant, it's all about equipment location and fault finding. So from my 1971 and 1974 Ian Allan combined volumes I've got the following(my Crompton Parkinson referernce above is wrong). D5000 to 5150 BTH traction motors, class 24/0 24001>049, class 24/1 24050 onwards. electrical, boiler and fuel tank differences. 25/0 BHP increase, no boiler everything else a carry over from above. From the '74 Ian Allan 25/1 25026 to 082 AEI/GEC series one electrical equipment(it doesn't say what) 25/2 25083 to 25245 GEC series two equipment 25/3 25245 upwards GEC series three equipment. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MidlandRed Posted December 30, 2021 Share Posted December 30, 2021 8 hours ago, w124bob said: I've now checked both the official Sulzer manuals and the Ian Allan's from the period, the Sulzer manual makes no reference to the supplier of various electrical components. As they are "Drivers Manuals" this is really irrelevant, it's all about equipment location and fault finding. So from my 1971 and 1974 Ian Allan combined volumes I've got the following(my Crompton Parkinson referernce above is wrong). D5000 to 5150 BTH traction motors, class 24/0 24001>049, class 24/1 24050 onwards. electrical, boiler and fuel tank differences. 25/0 BHP increase, no boiler everything else a carry over from above. From the '74 Ian Allan 25/1 25026 to 082 AEI/GEC series one electrical equipment(it doesn't say what) 25/2 25083 to 25245 GEC series two equipment 25/3 25245 upwards GEC series three equipment. That makes sense as D7568-97 were built out of sequence at Darlington following on from their D52xx builds, with the earlier body style and plain green livery - presumably the series 3 GEC equipment started at D7598. The TOPS numbering must have missed out early accident casualties like D5278. Series 2 starting at D5233 (25 083) coincides with the start of the new Design Panel cleaned up body style from Derby and two tone paint scheme. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sulzer71 Posted January 12, 2022 Share Posted January 12, 2022 On 25/03/2021 at 18:20, stovepipe said: I wonder if the version with hinged bodyside grilles is being produced as I would have several! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Davidjsmith Posted January 12, 2022 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 12, 2022 They will be following the 25/3 25/2 & 24/1 models I guess which are all delayed !They were teased as your photo but we have no idea where they are in the process!!I to will buy quite a few!! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sulzer71 Posted January 12, 2022 Share Posted January 12, 2022 36 minutes ago, Davidjsmith said: They will be following the 25/3 25/2 & 24/1 models I guess which are all delayed !They were teased as your photo but we have no idea where they are in the process!!I to will buy quite a few!! I'm sure Phil will be getting large portions of my wages for years to come depending on which variants are produced , I currently own 7 of the 24's , have 3 24/1's on pre-order (may order more seen as they are delayed , gives me more chance to save) and also have 25324 on order , one I hope gets produced sooner rather than later is the early 25/0 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Covkid Posted January 12, 2022 Share Posted January 12, 2022 (edited) 3 hours ago, sulzer71 said: I wonder if the version with hinged bodyside grilles is being produced as I would have several! They need to as all dual braked class 25s with the earlier bodyshell had the air filter hinges on one side, in addition to the extra triangular panel. The hinged grilles were so converted so that fitters could change the filter packs from outside the loco on that side - maybe B side. I believe the triangular panel was so that the triple pump could be got out of the loco easier, than manouvering it out through the bulkheads into the cab then out through the cab door. This image demonstrates the second triangular panel quite well 25_244_at_Tenterden_Town.jpg (640×480) (wikimedia.org) Edited January 12, 2022 by Covkid 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sulzer71 Posted January 13, 2022 Share Posted January 13, 2022 13 hours ago, Covkid said: They need to as all dual braked class 25s with the earlier bodyshell had the air filter hinges on one side, in addition to the extra triangular panel. The hinged grilles were so converted so that fitters could change the filter packs from outside the loco on that side - maybe B side. I believe the triangular panel was so that the triple pump could be got out of the loco easier, than manouvering it out through the bulkheads into the cab then out through the cab door. This image demonstrates the second triangular panel quite well 25_244_at_Tenterden_Town.jpg (640×480) (wikimedia.org) Strangely I'd not noticed that extra triangular panel before! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Covkid Posted January 13, 2022 Share Posted January 13, 2022 2 hours ago, sulzer71 said: Strangely I'd not noticed that extra triangular panel before! The panel sIts flush with the bodyside so is not so normally apparent, just like the "other" triangular panel on all 25s. On the later design bodyshell moulding Bachmann initially produced this as a raised panel, so Bachmann must have revised their moulds at some point. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Porcy Mane Posted January 13, 2022 Share Posted January 13, 2022 2 hours ago, sulzer71 said: Strangely I'd not noticed that extra triangular panel before! Mr Turners Flickr site. 1983. https://flic.kr/p/ppvb3D 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Porcy Mane Posted January 13, 2022 Share Posted January 13, 2022 (edited) On 13/01/2022 at 10:40, Covkid said: Bachmann must have revised their moulds at some point. On the early 25's Bachmann produced both a prominently raised central triangular panel and flat with furrowed representation of the panel outline. The current (2019) Bachmann 24/1 still has the raised panel but it's nowhere near as conspicuous as on the early versions. SLW top, 2019 Bachmann at middle and early Bachmann bottom. Edited May 27, 2022 by Porcy Mane Add Phot 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mallaig1983 Posted January 13, 2022 Share Posted January 13, 2022 20 hours ago, sulzer71 said: I wonder if the version with hinged bodyside grilles is being produced as I would have several! Have I missed something vital here? I can’t find any mention of these earlier class 25s on SLW/RailExclusive site. Was this a leaked teaser? Of everything released and announced by SLW these are the ones I’m really waiting for. Really hoping these will happen. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sulzer71 Posted January 13, 2022 Share Posted January 13, 2022 16 minutes ago, mallaig1983 said: Have I missed something vital here? I can’t find any mention of these earlier class 25s on SLW/RailExclusive site. Was this a leaked teaser? Of everything released and announced by SLW these are the ones I’m really waiting for. Really hoping these will happen. See post about half way down page 16 by @stovepipe , was teased back in March 2021 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sulzer71 Posted January 13, 2022 Share Posted January 13, 2022 38 minutes ago, Porcy Mane said: On the early 25's Bachmann produced both a prominently raised central triangular panel and flat with furrowed representation of the panel outline. The current (2019) Bachmann 24/1 still has the raised panel but it's nowhere near as conspicuous as on the early versions. SLW top, 2019 Bachmann at middle and early Bachmann bottom. It still bugs me on the new 24/1 though Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Porcy Mane Posted January 13, 2022 Share Posted January 13, 2022 29 minutes ago, sulzer71 said: It still bugs me on the new 24/1 though It might all be to do with the number of rivets??? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sulzer71 Posted January 13, 2022 Share Posted January 13, 2022 38 minutes ago, Porcy Mane said: It might all be to do with the number of rivets??? Maybe but I haven't counted them , yet 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nickel Plate Posted January 26, 2022 Share Posted January 26, 2022 Have to say this is the best looking derby type 2 in model form I've ever seen. I shall definitely be getting one when available. There is something to be said for not announcing too much in advance and just getting thw job done 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sulzer71 Posted February 25, 2022 Share Posted February 25, 2022 I have to wonder , now that the Barwell brigade have their EP's to show off at Ally Pally is Phil going to make the announcement on his 25/1 ?? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chilly Posted April 20, 2022 Share Posted April 20, 2022 Any updates on this 🙂 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krieghoff Posted April 21, 2022 Share Posted April 21, 2022 I must admit that it will be good to hear an update on the 25 and 24. I still have 6 on order and will be waiting with baited breath. Cant be long now before we hear something.......hopefully. Im reminded of the old saying that 'everything comes to those that wait' !! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Popular Post Davidjsmith Posted May 21, 2022 RMweb Gold Popular Post Share Posted May 21, 2022 (edited) HELLO RAT FANS: “This is no pipe-dream or ambition. This is reality. The complicated tooling is complete. The decoration has been passed. The running samples have been examined, refined and approved.” Fully-working models in BR Blue and BR Two-Tone Green are stabled side by side on our office diorama and display a wealth of intricate detail including see-through photo-etched grilles throughout, allowing framing and radiator details to be seen. © Photo: SLW stud dated 03/05 Just noticed this recent facebook post!!The picture in similar to one in February 2021.But Production Models!! Edited May 21, 2022 by Davidjsmith 22 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
woodenhead Posted May 21, 2022 Share Posted May 21, 2022 Just wow, transported back to the 1970s 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halvarras Posted May 22, 2022 Share Posted May 22, 2022 16 hours ago, woodenhead said: Just wow, transported back to the 1970s To see GSYP and TOPS blue side-by-side, late 1973 to be precise! (Ignoring the 'domino' headcode.) The running numbers would have been different too. I saw 7599 in spotless blue at Crewe Works on 3/11/69, at that time Crewe was still turning out Class 25s with four cabside arrow logos and bodyside numbers and having no clear memory of it I've always assumed 7599 was like this but never seen a photo to confirm...... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dj_crisp Posted May 22, 2022 Share Posted May 22, 2022 Looks stunning... really looking forward to seeing this one :) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Enterprisingwestern Posted May 23, 2022 RMweb Gold Share Posted May 23, 2022 Bank account quivering in the corner! Mike. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Phil Bullock Posted May 23, 2022 RMweb Gold Share Posted May 23, 2022 1 hour ago, Enterprisingwestern said: Bank account quivering in the corner! Mike. Mine too! Might need to go back to work…. !!! 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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