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On 20/03/2021 at 17:45, Fat Controller said:

Most MoD matériel, apart from vehicles, would be conveyed in anonymous vans and opens; 12t ones until the 1980s, then air-braked ones

And this could, in a Pre-TOPS era, lead to wagons going astray. ISTR a story of a couple of vans apparently conveying 'significant ordnance' being reported "Away in error" from an MOD depot at Bramley. Just imagine they turn up in your siding. "What's in these, then, Bill? Oh cor lummy!" or similar expressions of - er - concern. 

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On 26/03/2021 at 13:20, Fat Controller said:

That's the one. Can't say I've ever seen one.

 

Found the one I had photographed in Luton. https://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/modavan/e87e17a18   https://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/modavan/e87e17a20

I never saw another one, despite visiting several MOD and RoF sites. But there were a lot of such places in the 1980s. 

 

Paul

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Hat tip to @hmrspaul for his pics of MOTA 95000 and 95004 PXP at Ludgershall as well.

 

https://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/modludgershall/h31E89B09

 

https://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/modaramp

 

Anyone ever seen anything like that in RTR?

 

Did Cavalex Models ever release their MOD KFA / PFB Warflat wagon in OO scale?

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7 hours ago, KeithMacdonald said:

 

Did Cavalex Models ever release their MOD KFA / PFB Warflat wagon in OO scale?

 

They are on their way OO MOD KFA/PFB Warflat - Exclusive to Trains4U - Cavalex - RMweb

 

Paul

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On 10/04/2021 at 20:52, MarcD said:

I have only just discovered this line, having been asked by a customer to make some 7mm stock for it.  I took delivery of Vol.2 on Wednesday with in 48 hours I ordered vol.1 and I have been trying to lay my hands on vol.3.

If anyone's interested the first kit will be a Brake van. it will be a full kit in 7mm and a 3D printed body in other scales. 

 

Marc 

Hi Marc,

 

Sounds great - sadly all of mine is late steam early diesel 'what if' and 'what might have been' modelling.

 

Good luck with your endeavours though.

 

Best,

 

CME

 

 

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5 hours ago, CME and Bottlewasher said:

Guys, I had, or viewed, a photo of an 08 on the exM&SWJR (several years back). Ive searched for it high and low and on line, but can't find it. Anyone seen similar, any ideas where such was published? Did I dream it!!??

Thanks in anticipation,

CME

 

Hello @CME and Bottlewasher :rolleyes:

Could it have been the magazine article pics that @Neil Phillips mentioned?

 

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I believe the articles (there was more than one) identified Class 08 D4122 as working the last freight service to Cirencester


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 Class 08 D3358 on an M4 construction stone working climbing to SOT on 15/5/71;

 

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Thanks to BRDatabase we can confirm they were in the vicinity.

 

D4122

https://www.brdatabase.info/locoqry.php?action=locodata&type=D&id=4122&loco=4122

Allocated to Swindon (82C) in 1962

 

D3358

https://www.brdatabase.info/locoqry.php?action=locodata&type=D&id=3358&loco=3358

Reallocated to Swindon (82C) in 1969

 

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Hi Keith,

 

Thanks thats very kind of you to collate all of that info. I appreciate it.

 

I'd forgotten about BRDdatabase - my new friend brain fog? - I think that really helps to narrow it down.

 

As I mentioned before my dad was involved with the contract to unload the aggregate trains at the railhead. 4/5/71 ties in with my age at the time and the M4 stone traffic etc.

 

Kindest regards,

 

M.

 

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Yow know, the MSWJR had some nice locomotives and rolling stock. I like the MSWJR 'Galloping Alice' Mogul but I also like the NBR-built L Class 4-4-0 the most! These would top the list of 4-4-0 locomotives!

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I've seen their GWR rebuilds and too be honest, I'm not a big fan of them - their original North British original conditions even with GWR milk churn safety valves make this engines something amazing! In all honesty, I would love to own a fully-built RTR model of one but they are only available in kit-built form and I'm not that good at kit-building. For now, kit-bashing would have to be my only option unless I was to find somebody clever enough to actually make a 3D-printed body of it to stick onto an RTR chassis, then that would be very nice.

 

This thread has been of interest to me and I hope one day we will have RTR rolling stock and locomotives based upon MSWJR stock soon.

 

The striking MSWJR red livery reminds me of the Furness Railway Indian Red and the Midland Railway Crimson Lake. It's a shame that there aren't that much ex-MSWJR rolling stock around anymore but that doesn't stop the preservation movement, though. They are one of my Top 10 4-4-0 steam locomotives.

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On 23/04/2021 at 21:51, LNWR18901910 said:

Yow know, the MSWJR had some nice locomotives and rolling stock. I like the MSWJR 'Galloping Alice' Mogul but I also like the NBR-built L Class 4-4-0 the most! These would top the list of 4-4-0 locomotives!

 

Just found a pic of one of the ex-M&SWJR 2-4-0s still in use on the Lambourn branch

About a 1/3rd of the way down this page.

Ex-M&SWJR 2-4-0 at the terminus heading the 4:15pm from Newbury in October 1948.

https://www.lambournvalleyrailway.info/lambourn-2.html

 

 

Rumour has it (here on RMWeb) that Nu-Cast models of this are available via email dave@sefinecast.co.uk or Brian at sales@branchlines.com

 

Is there any substance to these rumours?

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8 minutes ago, KeithMacdonald said:

 

Just found a pic of one of the ex-M&SWJR 2-4-0s still in use on the Lambourn branch

About a 1/3rd of the way down this page.

Ex-M&SWJR 2-4-0 at the terminus heading the 4:15pm from Newbury in October 1948.

https://www.lambournvalleyrailway.info/lambourn-2.html

 

 

Rumour has it (here on RMWeb) that Nu-Cast models of this are available via email dave@sefinecast.co.uk or Brian at sales@branchlines.com

 

Is there any substance to these rumours?

Thta's interesting! Worth a find, too! Say, would anyone be modelling the M&SWJR? I might.

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Glad I found this thread. Back in March I ordered a copy of Steph Gillett’s ‘The Midland & South Western Junction Railway’ from Amazon, and it’s a very good read. The historical background is fascinating; it strikes me that the builders of the railway went for cheap above speed above quality, such was the urge to get a route into Southampton Docks as quickly as possible to allow the passage of goods from the Midlands via Southampton to Europe and beyond. 
 

I noticed there was discussion about when was the last time a train ran over what remains of the MSWJR to Ludgershall; this book mentions that in 2017 an army vehicle was taken from Ludgershall through the Channel Tunnel to mainland Europe. 

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On 24/08/2021 at 23:59, KeithMacdonald said:

And then this in March 2021

 

 

The gardens on the left as the Loco does it's run round, were the Rawlings Coal Yard (my great and great great grandfathers). Locos always used to run round there, and push the stock in, I've hitched a lift in the odd one back in the late 1960's early 70's.

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On 25/03/2021 at 20:06, hmrspaul said:

No as mentioned they had their own design, longer than the BR palvans with an offset door. I have the odd photo but apparently haven't posted them on my site. 

 

@hmrspaul - would they have been similar to the Royal Ordance Factory vans?

 

https://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/brpalvan


 

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18871 ex BR Palvan BR Clasp brake auxiliary suspension Internal use @ ROF Glascoed 92-08-21

18872 ex BR Palvan BR Morton – RCH vacuum brake auxiliary suspension Internal use @ ROF Glascoed 92-08-21

 

 

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1 hour ago, KeithMacdonald said:

 

@hmrspaul - would they have been similar to the Royal Ordance Factory vans?

 

https://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/brpalvan


 

 

Sorry I'm confused about what you are asking. This is the MODA palvan https://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/modavan/e87e17a18 https://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/modavan/e87e17a20 goodness knows what it was doing in Luton yard

 

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On 04/06/2022 at 12:06, hmrspaul said:

Sorry I'm confused about what you are asking. This is the MODA palvan https://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/modavan/e87e17a18 https://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/modavan/e87e17a20 goodness knows what it was doing in Luton yard

 

Paul

Hi Paul,

 

Interesting - thank you.

 

When was that photo taken - may I ask - was it October 1979 (looks later livery to me?). I couldn't tell from the photo info.

 

As always many thanks in anticipation of your comments and wisdom.

 

ATVB

 

Martin.

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1 hour ago, CME and Bottlewasher said:

When was that photo taken - may I ask - was it October 1979 (looks later livery to me?). I couldn't tell from the photo info

Both photos say Luton, 14/10/79

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4 hours ago, daifly said:

Year, month, day is a Japanese format. American is month, day, year.

Dave

Year month day is how to make sure it is possible to sort photographs by date order. Nothing else works!

 

Goodness  you people. The date is in English on the photograph. 

 

Paul

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4 hours ago, hmrspaul said:

Year month day is how to make sure it is possible to sort photographs by date order. Nothing else works!

I use the same system too but it's still Japanese! 

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On 09/06/2022 at 19:28, daifly said:

I use the same system too but it's still Japanese! 

 

It's preferred in Japan, and it's also an ISO standard to avoid ambiquity for international useage. So no confusion between UK dd-mm and US mm-dd formats. Routinely used for date-time-stamped files.

 

https://www.iso.org/iso-8601-date-and-time-format.html

 

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