Londontram Posted February 27, 2021 Share Posted February 27, 2021 (edited) As the title says I'm after any information and photo's of the above named locomotives. There was two built to a Dugauld Drummond design and built by Neilson and Co given the NBR numbers 474 and 475 Any information, photo's or drawings would be a help and am particularly interested on what type of brakes they had towards the end of there lives and even when the end of there lives was. I believe they were Air braked but where was the air pump? Thanks for any help you can give. Edited February 27, 2021 by Londontram Spelling correction Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatB Posted February 28, 2021 Share Posted February 28, 2021 Well, presumably it's on the offside somewhere. Just stick it on the side of the smokebox and you've got probably a 50-50 chance of being right, and noone else will know anyway . Seriously, though, that's a very handsome loco. I assume you're intending to build one. Do keep us posted, as I have a soft spot for singles, especially the lesser known ones. Lovely though they are, the works of Stirling and Johnson do tend to hog the limelight somewhat. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium kevinlms Posted February 28, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 28, 2021 3 hours ago, Londontram said: As the title says I'm after any information and photo's of the above named locomotives. There was two built to a Dugauld Drummond design and built by Neilson and Co given the NBR numbers 474 and 475 Any information, photo's or drawings would be a help and am particularly interested on what type of brakes they had towards the end of there lives and even when the end of there lives was. I believe they were Air braked but where was the air pump? Thanks for any help you can give. Plenty of photos of NBR locos showing them on the RHS here Including another photo of 474, but the same side. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Holliday Posted February 28, 2021 Share Posted February 28, 2021 (edited) 11 hours ago, Londontram said: As the title says I'm after any information and photo's of the above named locomotives. There was two built to a Dugauld Drummond design and built by Neilson and Co given the NBR numbers 474 and 475 Any information, photo's or drawings would be a help and am particularly interested on what type of brakes they had towards the end of there lives and even when the end of there lives was. I believe they were Air braked but where was the air pump? Thanks for any help you can give. There are drawings, sadly both of the same, left-hand, side as the photo, in the two books on NBR locos available from the NBR Study Group. The NBR was an active proponent of the Westinghouse air-brake, and from 1877 fitted all new passenger stock with this brake. The singles, being built in 1876 were probably early on the conversion list. Although William Stroudley had left Cowlairs in 1865, there seemed to be strong links between the him and his old friends there, Drummond having spent time at Brighton under Stroudley, so there were lots of similarities in the way of thinking at the two works, at opposite ends of Great Britain. The positioning of the Westinghouse pumps was pure Stroudley - on tender locos it would be fixed to the side of the firebox, and on tanks it was on the front part of the cab side. 7 hours ago, kevinlms said: Plenty of photos of NBR locos showing them on the RHS here Including another photo of 474, but the same side. Nice picture, but is there a link missing? I cannot find any photos of the NBR singles on the correct side, but this is how it was done at Brighton A pump on the smokebox - a ghastly twentieth-century concept! 8 hours ago, PatB said: Well, presumably it's on the offside somewhere. Just stick it on the side of the smokebox and you've got probably a 50-50 chance of being right, and no-one else will know anyway . Seriously, though, that's a very handsome loco. I assume you're intending to build one. Do keep us posted, as I have a soft spot for singles, especially the lesser known ones. Lovely though they are, the works of Stirling and Johnson do tend to hog the limelight somewhat. Edited February 28, 2021 by Nick Holliday 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
flubrush Posted February 28, 2021 Share Posted February 28, 2021 More than likely on the right hand side of the firebox as in the picture of the Stroudley single above. That is where the Westinghouse pumps were situated on tender locomotives on the Caledonian where Drummond moved to after his period at the North British. Drummond seemed to be strongly influenced by Stroudley and a lot of Stroudley features appeared on his locomotives designed for the NB and the Caledonian. In fact some of these features were still apparent on Caledonian designs by his successors on the Caledonian. Jim. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Holliday Posted February 28, 2021 Share Posted February 28, 2021 Not the Drummond singles, but definitely North British Built in 1863 and photographed in 1900. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Londontram Posted February 28, 2021 Author Share Posted February 28, 2021 (edited) 9 hours ago, PatB said: Seriously, though, that's a very handsome loco. I assume you're intending to build one. Do keep us posted, as I have a soft spot for singles, especially the lesser known ones. Thankyou Nick I was yes as like you I have a passion for early Scottish locos by Drummond and others who followed the Stroudley school of thought and design. At this point I'm going to shatter all your excitement and expectations as it's going to be a slightly loose scale layout quality loco using one of these as a starting point. It's not so daft as it might first seem infact the Caley single was built only 9 years after the NB loco, there both Drummond inspired designs and both built by Neilson and Co The idea is to take the Triang Model and reduce the smoke box by about 2mm and remove about 9 mm from the running plate infront of the smoke box. I've got a spare smoke box front from from an incomplete Jameson Jumbo kit with the right wing profile, this kit will provide a chimney too. New hand rails to replace the moulded ones and using a spare rear wheel set convert the twin axle front bogie to a single axle one, it should be a full length chassis but this option will give some flexibility for curves and points ect. The tender tank is ok but new side frames with the underslung springs will be drawn and cut with my Silhouette cutter. I'm DC so nothing complex there but I will add pickups to the tender wheels to aid smoother running. Now with all your help it seems the brake air pump is in the same place as the one on the Caley loco so the scope is there to leave that well alone. Apart from a few other details like a new dome and whistle that's going to be about it. The one down side that can't be changed easily is that the Caley Single has slightly larger wheels and thus main splashers but I'm thinking unless you knew you probably would never notice so am happy to live with that. This with some of the new Hattons/Hornby generic carriages should make a nice cir 1880 train. What do you all think Edited February 28, 2021 by Londontram Add content 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Compound2632 Posted February 28, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 28, 2021 (edited) 10 hours ago, Nick Holliday said: Nice picture, but is there a link missing? Click on the picture - it's an embedded link - and it takes you to the SmugMug gallery. Edited February 28, 2021 by Compound2632 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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