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I'm looking for photos and information anyone might have on the diagram 30 and 31 griddle cars. I'm particularly trying to find out what livery the diagram 31 griddle cars would have had when they were first converted. Parkin seems to think that they wouldn't have had maroon livery. But on the other hand the dates i can find for their conversion are July 63 and June 64. I think this is too early for blue/grey livery, it wasn't adopted until 66 i think. So i'm kind of assuming they wore maroon livery at least for a few years. 

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The diagram 31 Griddle cars were introduced in 1966 and there is a photo in one of the photo books (can't think where at the moment) of one in maroon livery and retaining it's heavy duty BR bogies. By 01/01/1969 all were in blue/grey livery and had their original bogies replaced by B5 ones.

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According to Longworth,

 

Ashford/Eastleigh build on Commonwealth bogies

2 bays in buffet saloon

Diag. 30 - M1100 08/60-12/77 preserved

                  W1101 11/60-04/78 scrapped 10/80

                 SC1102 12/60-10/80 scrapped 07/83

 

Doncaster build on BR1 bogies converted from Diag. 16 RF built 1952

3 bays in buffet saloon

Diag. 31 - SC1103 06/64-11/79 scrapped 10/80

                  SC1104 07/63-11/79 preserved

                  SC1105 06/64-11/79 preserved

 

So I guess this livery is ficticious....

 

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1 hour ago, Davexoc said:

According to Longworth,

 

Ashford/Eastleigh build on Commonwealth bogies

2 bays in buffet saloon

Diag. 30 - M1100 08/60-12/77 preserved

                  W1101 11/60-04/78 scrapped 10/80

                 SC1102 12/60-10/80 scrapped 07/83

 

Doncaster build on BR1 bogies converted from Diag. 16 RF built 1952

3 bays in buffet saloon

Diag. 31 - SC1103 06/64-11/79 scrapped 10/80

                  SC1104 07/63-11/79 preserved

                  SC1105 06/64-11/79 preserved

 

So I guess this livery is ficticious....

 

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I don't know where Longworth got his Diagram 31 introduction dates but the following is in The May 1966 Railway Observer in the Coaching Stock section:

 

"Conversions: SC1103/4/5 (Griddle RB) formely W301/2/5 (order unknown) rebuilt Wolverton 1966 from RF"

 

 

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3 hours ago, Davexoc said:

 

Doncaster build on BR1 bogies converted from Diag. 16 RF built 1952

3 bays in buffet saloon

Diag. 31 - SC1103 06/64-11/79 scrapped 10/80

                  SC1104 07/63-11/79 preserved

                  SC1105 06/64-11/79 preserved

 

So I guess this livery is ficticious....

 

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I think Longworth may have used the withdrawal and/or storage dates of the RFs. as the rebuild dates, there are a number of photos of the RFs in storage and they look to have been there some time. Butlin had the re-entry dates as 1965 and Harris as 1966.

 

The BR green is prototypically correct for at least 2001 onwards. I saw it on a train at Clapham Junction in this condition.

 

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12 hours ago, mark54 said:

I don't know where Longworth got his Diagram 31 introduction dates but the following is in The May 1966 Railway Observer in the Coaching Stock section:

 

"Conversions: SC1103/4/5 (Griddle RB) formely W301/2/5 (order unknown) rebuilt Wolverton 1966 from RF"

 

 

Hmm, interesting. I’ve been relying on the Longworth book too. So if they emerged in 66 would they have been maroon or blue/grey, that’s the question. 

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My understanding is the dia 30s were delivered in maroon and the dia 31s in blue-grey.

 

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Why anyone would want one is a good question, to which I have no answer. Made from left over bits from converting other Tri-ang coaches.

 

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It is now running on Commonwealth bogies.

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On 07/03/2021 at 18:25, mark54 said:

The diagram 31 Griddle cars were introduced in 1966 and there is a photo in one of the photo books (can't think where at the moment) of one in maroon livery and retaining it's heavy duty BR bogies. By 01/01/1969 all were in blue/grey livery and had their original bogies replaced by B5 ones.

Robert Carroll (Robertcwp) has come to my rescue for a maroon Diagram 31. The book is On Scottish Lines by Derek Penney - Page 75 at Carmont.

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38 minutes ago, mark54 said:

Robert Carroll (Robertcwp) has come to my rescue for a maroon Diagram 31. The book is On Scottish Lines by Derek Penney - Page 75 at Carmont.

Hurrah! I love weird and obscure coaches, but must confess to hating blue/grey livery. (Ducks and prepares to be tarred and feathered!)

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On 07/03/2021 at 21:25, Steamport Southport said:

The one which was in the NRM was maroon and correct.

 

http://www.cs.rhrp.org.uk/se/CarriageInfo.asp?Ref=1110

 

Another example of the NRM acting disgracefully towards historic vehicles. That used to be immaculate.

 

https://www.flickr.com/photos/60854097@N06/6755887591

 

 

 

Jason

I remember when 1100 was restored by NRM, I will check if it’s still at GCR. These Griddle Cars are valuable to heritage lines when restored & operational.

 

Dava

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