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After building a couple of micro-layouts over the last few months I've decided its time to move onto something bigger and its time to get that box of Bemo stock out the attic and finally give it somewhere to run.

Planning a fictional RhB terminus, started a few plans, this is the one I'm preferring at the moment. Although fictional it is inspired largely by Scuol-Tarasp with a few bits of Disentis/Mustér in there. It will be set around 2010-2015, I have enough stock to run a service similar to Scuol with longer terminating trains which will run round in the island platform and pendelzug with steuerwagon which will use the bay platform. I also have quite a bit of freight stock so want to include some facilities to run a few different wagon types.

Anyway here the plan I have in mind, any thoughts, suggestions most welcome. The curve will be hidden under a town/village scene and the layout will be L shaped with a fiddle yard to be added. I had considered putting the turntable/small depot at the other end inside the curve to have the station approach looking like the West end of Disentis before the layout was updated in the 90s but think I prefer it as is here, similar to Scuol.

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I like the fan of tracks on a curve at front left, it has a nice RhB feel to it, and you’ve captured the goods run around loop at Scuol, which I thought was crying out to be modelled when I saw it. From what I’ve seen in recent photos it’s no longer with us, I think. 
 

How far will you have to reach over to get at the sidings at the back? The dimension on the plan is obscured by other detail on my screen. 

 

 

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On 15/03/2021 at 07:46, Frutigen said:

How far will you have to reach over to get at the sidings at the back? The dimension on the plan is obscured by other detail on my screen. 

 

 

It’s 90cm wide on this plan. Originally I had it narrower but it felt too cramped. I guess removing the front siding would allow it to be narrower without compressing the rest. My current layout is 60cm wide and reaching the back is comfortable, not sure if 90cm is too wide

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I'm still not sure about the terminating line in the nearest platform, maybe it would be better to remove the loop around the island platform and just have the one terminating line between the platforms as at Scuol-Tarasp post modernisation. The flipside is that the extra loop gives a bit more operating potential and allows 3 trains in the station at a time. I also feel that maybe its all a bit too straight, parallel lines etc but both Scuol and Disnetis which have inspired it are pretty much straight stations. Of courser the headshunt at the far right is much longer and curved at Scuol and the platform lines are a bit more curved too at this end, maybe I can slightly modify the plan to catch this better.

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Here's modified version, I've taken out a platform road and brought the bottom siding in a little to narrow the layout by 10 cm. I've also slightly tweaked the RHS to try to capture the curved feel of Scuol although in the compressed space I still don't think this bit looks quite right.

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Something to factor in to your dimensioning - do you plan to have full overhead catenary or masts and spans without the actual power cables?

 

Reason I raise this is the overhead cables really do impinge on your ability to get at things.

 

If you are planning to have the overhead wires, a narrower board may be more comfortable, just masts and spans then wider would not have the same limitations.

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6 hours ago, bantam61668 said:

Here's modified version, I've taken out a platform road and brought the bottom siding in a little to narrow the layout by 10 cm. I've also slightly tweaked the RHS to try to capture the curved feel of Scuol although in the compressed space I still don't think this bit looks quite right.

Scuol4.jpg

 

That plan looks pretty good to me. I do like Scuol, and have been there pre (including on the mixed with a Croc...with a cab ride on the return leg...) and post modernisation.

 

Here is 406 from aforementioned GmP - shunting at Scuol, 1984

 

 

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7 hours ago, JimFin said:

Something to factor in to your dimensioning - do you plan to have full overhead catenary or masts and spans without the actual power cables?

 

Reason I raise this is the overhead cables really do impinge on your ability to get at things.

 

If you are planning to have the overhead wires, a narrower board may be more comfortable, just masts and spans then wider would not have the same limitations.

Good point, my current thinking is masts and wires on the main lines (platform roads, rear loop and the 2 sidings on the right) and the rest unwired. This seems to be how Scuol is set up since the rebuilding.

 

I’m finding this Swisstopo maps fascinating for seeing how the layout has changed with time and of course the Google maps streetview which gives an excellent view of the station  layout in more recent times. 
Hopefully I’ll be able to get out there this year for a bit more research...

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On 14/03/2021 at 11:27, bantam61668 said:

The curve will be hidden under a town/village scene

I like the plan but why hide the curve fully? You could have it sweeping around the buildings and then disappear say 6 inches before the end. It just looks good to have some plain track and see the train run a bit more on scene :)

Climbing out of Bergün 
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and these two just outside the station at Bergün 

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I quite like the suggestion of keeping the curve in view, hadn't really thought about doing so previously. Originally I was thinking of having this end based more on Disentis and putting the turntable and small depot inside the curve, I guess the idea of straight into a tunnel was a hangover from this idea. I guess having the curve in view might let me use a curved point too and spread out the track plan on the station approach a little maybe a bit more like Bergün in the last picture. I'm still not that happy with how this bit looks, its all a bit cramped at this end of the plan.

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8 hours ago, bantam61668 said:

I quite like the suggestion of keeping the curve in view, 

 

 

No question for me that that is the best solution. Model railway layouts are much better visually if there is at least some plain track , and if any railways have sharp curves, its narrow gauge mountains lines like the RhB!

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I too may be planning a separate RhB layout away from my HO/HOm current layout. I'm only in the 'what if' stage right now with no serious plans yet and haven't even picked out a spot in the house to build it yet.

 

I found station diagrams with measurements for many major and minor stations along the RhB if you are interested. There are many different complexities with this variety of stations. You may want to look at these.

 

Track Plans in Switzerland

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