gelboy45 Posted March 18, 2021 Share Posted March 18, 2021 HI Now that we have a new Scotrail MK2F DBSO can we have some matching Class 47/7s please? Seems a good idea.......... Gerry 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Pilotman Posted March 19, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 19, 2021 (edited) Farish have already done three versions* of the 47/7 in recent years; in blue, large logo blue and ScotRail. I don’t know if the original plan was to have the DBSOs in the shops at about the same time as the locomotives but for various reasons the DBSOs appeared somewhat later. I may be wrong but I think that at the time the 47/7s appeared, the DBSOs had already been announced and so anyone wanting a push-pull set would have bought the loco first. If you knew all that already and are requesting a second run, I suspect that’s unlikely given that the 47/7s were a small sub-class with a relatively limited range (although a few of the ScotRail locos migrated south in later years). But you never know.... * actually they did four but the NSE version wasn’t used for push-pull operations with a DBSO Edited March 19, 2021 by Western Aviator Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Steven B Posted March 19, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted March 19, 2021 The first (and so far only) 47/7s were released in 2015: 372-243 BR Blue 47701 Saint Andrew 372-244 BR Blue (Large Logo) 47711 Greyfriars Bobby 372-245 Scotrail 47710 Sir Walter Scott 372-246 NSE (later) 47715 Haymarket One to buy second hand or keep your fingers crossed for a re-run at some point. Steven B. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Crepello Posted March 19, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted March 19, 2021 Unfortunately my Greyfriars Bobby was a 'rogue' and never ran properly, despite some professional attention, so I'm hoping Farish will do a re-run too. You never know....... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium John M Upton Posted March 19, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted March 19, 2021 I had 47710. It was a total lemon which eventually committed suicide by suddenly bursting into life and throwing itself off the layout at the first corner cab first into a concrete floor. I chucked the remnants on Ebay as spares or repair and banned 47's from this and all future N scale layouts... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Davexoc Posted March 19, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted March 19, 2021 I had 47710, but it became distressed, got debranded, de-named and renumbered with the addition of NSE flashes too. Currently awaiting a bit of weathering... IIRC they were slow sellers at the time, and many 701 and 715s ended in the bargain bins. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gelboy45 Posted March 21, 2021 Author Share Posted March 21, 2021 Many thanks Willoughby I would never have found these and thanks to you I ordered Greyfriars Bobby! ;O))) Regards Gerry House CEO probably not impressed........... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Crepello Posted March 22, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted March 22, 2021 Me too, many thanks Willoughby! I looked for these on the internet some months ago but no trace of any new ones out there. Just hope these are in good nick and not covered in mould at the back of a cupboard! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Crepello Posted March 22, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted March 22, 2021 On 19/03/2021 at 18:35, John M Upton said: I had 47710. It was a total lemon which eventually committed suicide by suddenly bursting into life and throwing itself off the layout at the first corner cab first into a concrete floor. I chucked the remnants on Ebay as spares or repair and banned 47's from this and all future N scale layouts... I've just bought a good 47 from Osborn's (green D1779); like you, (?) I've found them the most difficult Farish diesel for good running; it's always best to be persistent and return any sub-standard ones to the shop rather than trying to sort them out yourself (bitter experience!) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Davexoc Posted March 22, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted March 22, 2021 6 hours ago, Crepello said: I've just bought a good 47 from Osborn's (green D1779); like you, (?) I've found them the most difficult Farish diesel for good running; it's always best to be persistent and return any sub-standard ones to the shop rather than trying to sort them out yourself (bitter experience!) Well they were named Duffs for a reason, with the 47/7s being Shove Duffs of course..... 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Crepello Posted March 23, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted March 23, 2021 14 hours ago, Davexoc said: Well they were named Duffs for a reason, with the 47/7s being Shove Duffs of course..... No doubt my one was a duff Shove Duff! Waiting for the Hereford one with some trepidation. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Davexoc Posted March 23, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted March 23, 2021 Well out of the 12 I have, 47535 developed a split gear, and 47474 developed two split gears, one on each bogie. Strangely one bogie was thick in grease, the other not so. They range from the first release through to last but one batch, so not that bad a record. Running quality varies a little, but of all of them, 47096 is probably the quickest, but then it hasn't got ETH to slow it down....... 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
fezza Posted March 24, 2021 Share Posted March 24, 2021 The main problems with 47s are (1) terrible pickups that lose connections easily (2) gear housings on the bottom of the bogie that foul Peco points. The first can be solved by some tweaking - a good model shop should be able to help if you aren't confident to do it yourself. Gear housings can be carefully filed down - you only need to take off a sliver of plastic. The motor is also fairly poor by modern standards, but you can't do a lot about this. These fixes should be okay when buying secondhand. My motto when buying new is "if it isn't perfect, send it back" - at the prices now being charged you shouldn't be expected to fix poorly-built models yourself. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Crepello Posted March 26, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted March 26, 2021 I'm pleased to say my 47711 received from Hereford Model Centre is a good one. Thanks again to Willoughby! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stu from EGDL Posted April 1, 2021 Share Posted April 1, 2021 Hi gelboy, I may be in a position to help you out with a ScotRail 47/7. Please check you messages. Regards, Stu from EGVN. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Crepello Posted April 1, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted April 1, 2021 It's occurred to me that I've never seen evidence that the 47/7s on he Edinburgh-Glasgow route had snowploughs fitted. Does anyone know if they did? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Davexoc Posted April 1, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted April 1, 2021 9 hours ago, Crepello said: It's occurred to me that I've never seen evidence that the 47/7s on he Edinburgh-Glasgow route had snowploughs fitted. Does anyone know if they did? Me neither, not in Scotland, or in later life south of the border. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Crepello Posted April 2, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted April 2, 2021 16 hours ago, Davexoc said: Me neither, not in Scotland, or in later life south of the border. Presumably they didn't, as clearly the DBSOs at the other end would have had no ploughs either. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Kaput Posted April 2, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted April 2, 2021 Didn't the DBSO's get ploughs of sorts after Polmont? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Pilotman Posted April 2, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted April 2, 2021 13 minutes ago, Kaput said: Didn't the DBSO's get ploughs of sorts after Polmont? It was more of a “cow-deflector” than a snow plough. 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
scruff Posted April 3, 2021 Share Posted April 3, 2021 On 01/04/2021 at 11:37, Crepello said: It's occurred to me that I've never seen evidence that the 47/7s on he Edinburgh-Glasgow route had snowploughs fitted. Does anyone know if they did? Just checked and in every photo of a 47/7 I've got, not one has ploughs fitted from plain blue to privatisation liveries. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium John M Upton Posted April 3, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted April 3, 2021 Class 47's in general rarely carried ploughs from what I have seen. Tended to be 33's and 37's as the most prolific plough carriers. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Davexoc Posted April 4, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted April 4, 2021 Scottish 47/4s certainly carried them, plenty of images of them, just not 47/7s... Plus 47004 seems to have retained them when it moved south and got repainted in two tone green at OC. I wonder if fitment made brake block changes awkward, as they do seem to obscure the slack adjusters..... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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