North British, what chairs? + other info needed.

[Haggerleases]

Hi all.

After a few false starts, I'm modelling in 4mm scale, EM gauge, and the North British at the end of the 19th century.

I've had a go at ply and rivet plain track construction, (not tried points yet) and the results I've got are surprisingly quite pleasing, but I would like to try the plastic chair and solvent method too. My ply/rivet/solder technique was for generic track, but if I'm going to use chairs they may as well be the right type. Anyone out there do North British chairs? 

While I'm here, does anyone know of a good source of drawings useful for scratch building NBR locos of this era? 

 

Regards

 

H. 

 

 

[Ben Alder]

Are you a member of the NB Study Group? You should get your answers there....

 

[Stephen Freeman]

Probably better to ask/search on Templot club, I think probably 3 bolt chairs but they did have some unusual joint chairs.

[Graham R]

Regarding chairs - 4-bolt plain chairs are illustrated on the NBRSG forum here: https://www.nbrstudygroup.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=334 Joint chairs on Templot Club here: https://85a.co.uk/forum/view_topic.php?id=3003&forum_id=11

If you look around Templot Forum you should also find details of interlaced sleeper turnouts, for example in this topis: http://85a.co.uk/forum/view_topic.php?id=401&forum_id=1&page=1

 

Regarding loco drawings, the NBRSG has published many nice drawings by Euan Cameron in their journal, back number of which are available from their website (https://www.nbrstudygroup.co.uk/sales/sales.php) on a CD. If you have not already got it, the late Bill Sewell's book "NBR Locomotives - a design survey" has been reprinted by the NBRSG for £15 plus £4 P&P to non-members. Apart from being a detailed and fascinating guide to locomotive design in general and NBR design in particular, it has many drawings. Those of interest to your era include:

 

Early designs:

ex-E&G 2-4-0 No 106 in 1889 condition

0-4-0ST No 404 in 1883 condition

ex-GBH&C 0-6-0T No 502 in 1877 condition

 

Wheatley designs:

0-4-0 Goods in 1868 and 1911 condition (later LNE Y10)

0-6-0 Goods in 1871 condition

2-4-0 express passenger in 1890 condition

2-4-0 passenger in 1873 and 1891 condition (later LNE E7)

4-4-0 express passenger No 224 in 1871 and 1897 condition

4-4-0 passenger 420 class in 1873 and 1887 condition

0-6-0 saddle tanks in 1870s and 1890s condition (LNE J81/J84/J85/J86)

 

Drummond designs:

2-2-2 of 1876

4-4-0 Abbotsford class of 1877 (LNE D27/D28)

0-6-0 18" goods of 1898 (J32) and 17" goods of 1892 (J34)

0-6-0T of 1875 (J82)

0-4-2T passenger of 1877 (covnerted to a 0-4-4T, became LNE G8)

4-4-0T passenger (the one with the solid bogie wheels, LNE D51)

 

Holmes designs:

0-6-0 goods 17" of 1883 (J33) and 18" of 1888 (J36)

4-4-0 passenger 592 class, 7' coupled wheels of 1886 (D25)

4-4-0 passenger 633 class, 6'6" coupled wheels of 1890

4-4-0 passenger 729 class, 6'6" coupled wheels of 1893 (D31)

4-4-0 West Highland bogies of 1894 (D35)

4-4-0 Abbotsford rebuilds of 1901

0-4-0ST of 1882-99 (LNE Y9)

0-4-4T passenger of 1886 (LNE G7)

0-6-0T heavy shunting of 1900 (J83)

 

Hope that helps. The NBRSG produces a very professional journal and has an online forum which, though not very active, will usually yield an answer to a specific query sooner or later.

 

Good luck with your model.

 

regards

Graham

 

 

[Haggerleases]

Hi all. Thank you all so much for your helpful replies. I have joined the NBRSG so I will look forward to learning much more about the North British. 

 

Thanks again, your efforts are very much appreciated.

 

H.

[MarcD]

I have a pway drawing from 1900 I will dig it out 

Marc

 

 

 

[Haggerleases]

Marc, that's great. Any help is most appreciated. 

 

H.

[MarcD]

PM sent Hope they help

 

Marc

[Haggerleases]

Great stuff, thanks for that, very interesting, and proper old-school drawings. You could frame things like that. 

[MarcD]

Glad they were ok

 

Marc