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Third Sulzer variant announced by SLW - Class 25/1 to be made !


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1 hour ago, Chilly said:

Is it likely they will move on to 26's next :scratchhead:

Bit premature for more wish listing though, they have the 25/3, 24/1 and now 25/1 to bring to market first, and there was a five year gap between the 24 and the 25/3, so anything furthr might be a long long way off.

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Great news and I and likely to be in the market for one, though despite various manufacturers doing and re-doing both the Class 24 variants of 24/0 + 24/1 as well as the different Class 25 sub-classes, the missing link RTR still remains a Class 25/0 and I would really like one.

Patience is a virtue!

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9 hours ago, Mel_H said:

I'll just leave this here:

 

 

Its dual braking equipment allowed 7591 to handle workings somewhat different from its intended duties. Here on August 19th 1971 7591 heads the 4V73 Edinburgh - Pengam freightliner on the ECML somewhere between Penmanshiel & Granthouse. Photograph Bill Jamieson

 

 

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If they bring that one out I'm sunk!

 

Mike.

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1 hour ago, Opelsi said:

Great news and I and likely to be in the market for one, though despite various manufacturers doing and re-doing both the Class 24 variants of 24/0 + 24/1 as well as the different Class 25 sub-classes, the missing link RTR still remains a Class 25/0 and I would really like one.

Patience is a virtue!

I can imagine (hope) that we will see an early 25/0 before too long seen as it's virtually a 24/1 , I keep badgering Phil every time I speak to him for one 

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11 hours ago, Mel_H said:

I'll just leave this here:

 

 

Its dual braking equipment allowed 7591 to handle workings somewhat different from its intended duties. Here on August 19th 1971 7591 heads the 4V73 Edinburgh - Pengam freightliner on the ECML somewhere between Penmanshiel & Granthouse. Photograph Bill Jamieson

 

 

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But is that not a 25/2?

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54 minutes ago, sulzer71 said:

I would like that although there are still variations of 24/25 I would like to see and Heljan have hinted at a possible retool of the 26

TBH I would like to see variations of the 24 first just curious on the 26 but one step at a time, there are a couple of 24's that run on NYMR which hopefully they will do a suitable 24 to cover in due course.

 

In the meantime really looking forward to receiving the 25 :D

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9 hours ago, The Ghost of IKB said:

Bit premature for more wish listing though, they have the 25/3, 24/1 and now 25/1 to bring to market first, and there was a five year gap between the 24 and the 25/3, so anything furthr might be a long long way off.

Having said that though, the playing cards graphic shows five cards, a 24, 24/1, 25/3, 25/1 ..... and a joker!

Im resisting the urge to wish list so wont say any suggestions, but it does suggest that theres maybe one more thing in development perhaps.......

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1 minute ago, The Ghost of IKB said:

Having said that though, the playing cards graphic shows five cards, a 24, 24/1, 25/3, 25/1 ..... and a joker!

Im resisting the urge to wish list so wont say any suggestions, but it does suggest that theres maybe one more thing in development perhaps.......

Early series 25/0 or 25/2?

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15 hours ago, Mel_H said:

Sutton's Locomotive Workshop (SLW) has announced that it is to produce a RTR 4mm model of the Class 25/1, available in OO, EM and P4.

 

It follows its existing Class 24, and recently announced 25/3.

 

Marking the 34th anniversary of the end of revenue-earning Class 25 work on BR, when the final operational trio (25059, 25904 and 25912) - pictured - were shunted to Basford Hall Yard and switched off on March 25 1987, the announcement has been warmly welcomed.

 

SLW revealed that it has already started tooling, by showing an image of two versions - with nose-end doors, and the later plated-up version.

 

No details of which locomotives will be offered has been announced, but SLW says it's made the announcement due to the amount of interest - and expectation - that its reveal earlier this month of its all-new 25/3 has generated.

 

Given that it's a different loco and tooling from the 25/3 and 24, I thought this deserves a separate thread...

 

 

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I can’t find a mention of this on their site. (Might be a caching problem at my end, though.)

 

Do you have a link?

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4 hours ago, sulzer71 said:

But is that not a 25/2?

 

Yes, but then the incoming Class 25 "encompasses part of Class 25/2 and the Class 25/3" (original post) so I would imagine the tooling suite for this new product will encompass Class 25/1 and the other part of Class 25/2, but SLW ignored the 'other part of Class 25/2' bit in pursuit of a snappy headline! No doubt all will be revealed shortly.......

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Wasn`t the difference between a 25/1 and a 25/2 just internal? Don`t think there was any difference externally.

 

It would make the joker the 25/0, then they have all the BR rats covered. And by chopping and changing bits they could even cover the odd ones, like the ones fitted with the winged headcode boxes but no horns etc.

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2 minutes ago, Neil Phillips said:

 

Yes, but then the incoming Class 25 "encompasses part of Class 25/2 and the Class 25/3" (original post) so I would imagine the tooling suite for this new product will encompass Class 25/1 and the other part of Class 25/2, but SLW ignored the 'other part of Class 25/2' bit in pursuit of a snappy headline! No doubt all will be revealed shortly.......

I can't wait tbh although I'm now looking for somewhere to sell a Kidney :rofl:

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It would seem that some clarification of the Class 25 differences are in order.

 

The class 25/0, D5151-D5175, 25001-25, was basically a continuation of the last Class 24's built (D5133-50), but with an uprated 1250hp engine and AEI/BTH electrical equipment to match. The recent Bachmann headcode 24 can easily be modified to represent a 25/0, especially the blue TOPs versions that don't have the skirting.  The only major mod required is the removal of the boiler water tank, as the 25/0's didn't have boilers fitted.

 

The Class 25/1, D5176-D5232, 25026-25082 had the early body style with bodyside grills and the horns mounted either side of the headcode boxes, a feature that remained with the rest of the class. Fitted with the uprated engine, they had AEI and GEC Series 1 electrical equipment.

 

The class 25/2 sub-class consisted of D5233-D7597, 25083-25247, of which D5233-D5299, D7500-D7567, 25083-217 had the 2nd style of body with the cantrail grills, whilst D7568-D7597, 25218-47 had the early style body, as on D5176-D5232. All of them had the uprated engine, they had AEI and GEC Series 2 electrical equipment. Of note in this batch is the fact that D5233-D5237, 25083-7 had the 2nd body style, but were boiler fitted and had boiler water tanks fitted.

 

The class 25/3 consisted of D7598-D7677, 25248-25327 and had the 2nd style of body with the cantrail grills, the uprated engine, they had AEI and GEC Series 3 electrical equipment.

 

So as you see the main differences in the subclasses within the class 25 fleet was nothing to do with the body style but the electrical  equipment, (the GEC equipment specifically), that was fitted.

 

I hope this is of help in understanding the class 25's.

 

Paul J.

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24 minutes ago, Swindon 123 said:

It would seem that some clarification of the Class 25 differences are in order.

 

The class 25/0, D5151-D5175, 25001-25, was basically a continuation of the last Class 24's built (D5133-50), but with an uprated 1250hp engine and AEI/BTH electrical equipment to match. The recent Bachmann headcode 24 can easily be modified to represent a 25/0, especially the blue TOPs versions that don't have the skirting.  The only major mod required is the removal of the boiler water tank, as the 25/0's didn't have boilers fitted.

 

The Class 25/1, D5176-D5232, 25026-25082 had the early body style with bodyside grills and the horns mounted either side of the headcode boxes, a feature that remained with the rest of the class. Fitted with the uprated engine, they had AEI and GEC Series 1 electrical equipment.

 

The class 25/2 sub-class consisted of D5233-D7597, 25083-25247, of which D5233-D5299, D7500-D7567, 25083-217 had the 2nd style of body with the cantrail grills, whilst D7568-D7597, 25218-47 had the early style body, as on D5176-D5232. All of them had the uprated engine, they had AEI and GEC Series 2 electrical equipment. Of note in this batch is the fact that D5233-D5237, 25083-7 had the 2nd body style, but were boiler fitted and had boiler water tanks fitted.

 

The class 25/3 consisted of D7598-D7677, 25248-25327 and had the 2nd style of body with the cantrail grills, the uprated engine, they had AEI and GEC Series 3 electrical equipment.

 

So as you see the main differences in the subclasses within the class 25 fleet was nothing to do with the body style but the electrical  equipment, (the GEC equipment specifically), that was fitted.

 

I hope this is of help in understanding the class 25's.

 

Paul J.

That throws another spanner in the works for me if Phil includes any in the 25226-234/237-241/44/46/47  range with the hinged style air intake grilles as there were many allocated to Scotland during my modelling period , I really should look into selling a Kidney now

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23 minutes ago, sulzer71 said:

That throws another spanner in the works for me if Phil includes any in the 25226-234/237-241/44/46/47  range with the hinged style air intake grilles as there were many allocated to Scotland during my modelling period , I really should look into selling a Kidney now

 

23 minutes ago, sulzer71 said:

That throws another spanner in the works for me if Phil includes any in the 25226-234/237-241/44/46/47  range with the hinged style air intake grilles as there were many allocated to Scotland during my modelling period , I really should look into selling a Kidney now

Here's one of them. 25229 at Eastfield , 5th May 1982.

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