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3 hours ago, Sithlord75 said:

No, I haven't finished one - I was offered one which had been built by John Greenwood about 25 years ago for a N Gauge modeller - I haven't actually measured it up, but I wouldn't be surprised to find it is 2mm scale, just running on N gauge wheels.  I suspect I could convert it to 2mm quite easily by changing the wheels over, but in the meantime, without a 9.42mm gauge layout, it isn't important.  

 

Because I've renumbered and lettered it, and will be adding a crew, weathering and so forth it counts under the letter of the rules for the challenge, but I do feel it a bit of a cheat - still, small steps!!!

 

J50 first as it seems to be more straight forward.

 

Converting a John Greenwood loco to 2FS should be pretty straightforward as it will be regular split chassis. For N gauge builds John made up his own wheels using Association centers with N gauge tyres so switching them for 2FS should be a straight swap - Ive done a couple, an 0-4-4T and a 2P which John built to N gauge for one of my customers years ago.

 

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Greetings from BOB to SEQLAG

 

Please let me introduce you my entry to SEQLAG´s build a train challenge:

BOB is an early German pre grouping railway officially called „ Actiengesellschaft der koeniglich priviligirten Bayerischen OstBahnen“. (Sorry for enthusiasts of Berner Oberland Bahn or any other BOBs.) This private company was founded in 1856 and has been nationalized and merged with Bavarian national K.Bay.Sts.B. in 1875 because competition did diminish profit of both railways.

 

BOB for me is perfect for 2mm FS for several reasons:

· Bullhead rail with chairs in Bavaria is prototypical at that time - only at this specific time.

· The prototype at that time generally is still rather British

· Drawings very often are in feet- well: Bavarian „Schuh“ - which is 292mm by the foot/shoe. It is no problem that this gives a little bit more enlargement: the RTR models -if available at all- do suffer this as well.

· The tiny early wheelstock is better off with 2mm scale than the 1:160 scale typical on the continent.

· Almost everything has to be scratchbuilt. Please allow some look-alike solutions for the first approach.

 

To make it easier for me and to encourage others I´d try to use components available from the 2mm SA shops. (Special thanks to the shop keepers! I kept them quite busy for the last months to build up a reasonable stock for my tinkerings)

 

The loco will be a C III, a 0-6-0 with outside frame and Crampton type boiler, a robust prototype but I fear multiple chances for an electric short with split frame. Perhaps I´ll end up with a scratchbuilt chassis.

To get a more exotic touch it will be peat fueled, giving a need for a peat tender and an additional peat wagon. Not so much progress so far: the J94 chassis and the boiler. When should I be finished?

 

The wagons are having some chassis of correct wheelbase from shop 2 or are made with W irons. The more complicated cattle vans are not yet ready for being shown around. The symbolic half finished kits of a box and a pig van will be replaced by more prototypical models.

Of course a part of the wagons is coming with brakemen´s cabs, as continental trains usually do not have separate brake vans.

 

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23 hours ago, Klaus ojo said:

Greetings from BOB to SEQLAG

 

Please let me introduce you my entry to SEQLAG´s build a train challenge:

BOB is an early German pre grouping railway officially called „ Actiengesellschaft der koeniglich priviligirten Bayerischen OstBahnen“. (Sorry for enthusiasts of Berner Oberland Bahn or any other BOBs.) This private company was founded in 1856 and has been nationalized and merged with Bavarian national K.Bay.Sts.B. in 1875 because competition did diminish profit of both railways.

 

BOB for me is perfect for 2mm FS for several reasons:

· Bullhead rail with chairs in Bavaria is prototypical at that time - only at this specific time.

· The prototype at that time generally is still rather British

· Drawings very often are in feet- well: Bavarian „Schuh“ - which is 292mm by the foot/shoe. It is no problem that this gives a little bit more enlargement: the RTR models -if available at all- do suffer this as well.

· The tiny early wheelstock is better off with 2mm scale than the 1:160 scale typical on the continent.

· Almost everything has to be scratchbuilt. Please allow some look-alike solutions for the first approach.

 

To make it easier for me and to encourage others I´d try to use components available from the 2mm SA shops. (Special thanks to the shop keepers! I kept them quite busy for the last months to build up a reasonable stock for my tinkerings)

 

The loco will be a C III, a 0-6-0 with outside frame and Crampton type boiler, a robust prototype but I fear multiple chances for an electric short with split frame. Perhaps I´ll end up with a scratchbuilt chassis.

To get a more exotic touch it will be peat fueled, giving a need for a peat tender and an additional peat wagon. Not so much progress so far: the J94 chassis and the boiler. When should I be finished?

[Snip].

 

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Interesting Klaus.

 

Any photos or drawings of the prototype of that loco please?

 

Are those the right wheels? You seem to have an outside cylinder to attach but no crank pins!?

 

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@ Sam Kennion

 

Well, yes, a photo of the prototype is in my post earlier on page 1.

I am having some more photos, however, they might be copyright protected.

 

You are right, it will have outside cylinders and of course it will get crankpins as well .

I will have to attach the Hall cranks before and  axle prolongations which will lead through the outside frame.

I agree, there is still much to do before it will represent the loco.

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At our LAG meeting yesterday I managed to get a photo of some of the locos being worked on for the challenge.  The 8F and J39 are both staying N gauge (we are a broad church - not everyone does 2mm) with revised coal loads, the detail packs having been applied and a light weathering coat.  Both were renumbered from their original numbers - neither have managed to get their front numbers done yet and crews need to be sourced.

 

The Jinty is my 2mm conversion - now with couplers and real coal.  Like the two 9mm gauge locos, it has been renumbered from its original out of the box number.

 

Finally David H's Sentinel.  This is a Shapeways print which he has machined a brass block to fit into to add weight.  The chassis is a Japanese one which he has rewheeled using Association wheels having turned the stubs to match the originals.  It runs quite well albeit noisily (although that is a design issue rather than a build one).  He is working on the cosmetic axle boxes and springs.  I'm not sure what livery it's going to appear in at this stage.

 

Other locos being worked on, but not managed to be photographed include a UM 3F being super detailed and a NSWGR D19 goods loco which is a scratch build.  The builder of the D19 is going the home etching route on the frames - hopefully they'll be on show next month.  The superstructure has been 3D printed and is coming along very nicely.

 

I'll try for a photo of some of the trains next month if people bring the bits.

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I hope that all the other trains for the SEQLAG Challenge are ready now.

I´ve seen some here and at ZAG and very much liked the models showed.

Although my train is not ready I´d like to show the present state.

This mainly to tell that it is possible to build a train in 2mm scale or N with help of some wheels and chassis parts adapted. If I can do it, you can do it as well!

Many thanks for opening the challenge to outsiders! This was very encouraging!

 

cheers 

Klaus 

 

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We had our last meeting of the year last weekend and pretty well everyone brought along the fruits of their labours which was good to see.  As I've mentioned before, the SEQAG is an Alloy Group between members of  the NGS, the 2mmSA and British Railway Modellers of Australia with a couple of ring-ins who are alumni of those aforementioned groups (but for various reasons no longer members).

 

I did manage to get a few photos in between the socialising (significant others are invited to this meeting along with off-spring so we had quite a few more present than normal) and I apologise for the poor quality of some of them.

 

First up is a pic of the overall collection.  The two warehouses (Scalescenes) aren't technically part of the challenge, one having been built a few years ago but our soon to be nonagenarian member built the one of the right this year for me so I have two.  I didn't build the first either!  Barbara also entered a train as I'll detail a bit further on.  

 

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The eclectic nature of the interests of the membership is on display here with the train on the left a 3D print of the South African Railways Blue Train (to 1:160 I think) followed by a pair of GWR British N gauge trains, then a collection of SDJR livestock and engineers wagons to 1:152, a mixed bag of 2mm and N gauge stock in the next four trains and some US outline at the right hand end. 

 

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The LMS hoppers are D1708s which have been drawn to 2mm scale but are riding on Farish bogies.  The 8F started life as an 06 but was renumbered, with the head code lamps being 3D printed (to see if we could.  The brake at the end is a weathered Farish one, also fitted out with lamps.  The LNER train is repainted and decaled sulphate wagons.  In the "don't model the model" guise it was admitted on the day the E is wrong as the best art work to copy came from models but having found some decent pictures "upon completion - naturally" it was found the middle leg of the E was shorter than modelled.  Ho hum  The J39 was back dated from BR livery and has had real coal added to the thinned down metal lump in the tender.  No head code - yet!!  The Jinty is my N gauge to 2mm finescale conversion pulling my repainted and lettered Matheson wagons.  

 

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The GWR wagons are a bit of a mixed bag - Farish brakevan in the process of being detailed - it was felt merely taking the couplings off wasn't enough of a start!  The Mink is a 2mm resin one with the cordon in front being a 3D print running on a Peco 10' brake van chassis.  The Open C is a Chivers one on a 2mm chassis.  The sentinel is a shapeways purchase with a milled brass block and turned down wheels.  The best running 2mm loco we have at this point (the Jinty needs a little bit of tweaking still).  In front is some of the SDJR 2mm output of @nebnoswal along with his started but incomplete work on detailing up a Union Mills loco to haul some of them.

 

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Some more the SDJR output on display along with the pair of GWR trains - the castle is on the front of our late member Don's efforts on Engineering wagons - his sudden passing in May left us all saddened as he was one of life's true gentlemen.   The other train was by his widow, Barbara who admits to being more scenery and building inclined (see above about the warehouse) but thought she really should finish some of her kits and scratch built attempts.  The square tar wagon is made of paper and has the rivets pressed in using a fine ballpoint pen (when it's run out - doing it with one which still works tends to mean the ink runs when you use water colours...).  Barbara also had a go at weathering some RTR wagons inline with one of our clinics which she also admitted was a bit outside her comfort zone but as the challenge was essentially to try something new... 

 

The last train in this pic is the loco of the South African Railways blue train - it is only a first print to test to see if it fits the chassis and needs more work but considering the whole train comes from a filament not resin printer, it is looking pretty good.  Clearly filament printers are getting better.   Pictures of the coaches below - lining via bow pen. IMG_5295.JPG.dd8954a0396f5797b737af2a312c769e.JPGIMG_5296.JPG.cc1ff6835bb3366e5365acf94a57e26b.JPG

 

 

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The US end of the table was made up of freelance railroads - Empire Rail Road is apparently a competitor to the GN and the UP running from Montana to Washington below the former and above the latter as a third Transcontinental road.  The three steamers belong to the Witak and North Ere road which hasn't been geographically located yet.  IMG_5304.JPG.2cf02fc98a1d530039741fd7c07456e7.JPG

 

Everyone agreed it was a great challenge - even if only I managed to get a train actually completed.  With a handful almost there the general feeling was to see how many could be finished by Easter 2022 along with the 2022 Offical Challenge - See How Many UFOs are finished in the year.  Rule for the 2022 challenge to come.

 

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1 hour ago, John Brenchley said:

Hi Kevin

 

An interesting and diverse collection.

 

Do you know where the 3D printed Cordon came from please?  Are they still available?

 

Thanks

 

Best wishes

 

John

Hi John, 

 

https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:3017588 N Scale GWR Cordon DD4 Gas Wagon Body by modelrailmusings - Thingiverse

 

I think it should be on a 12' chassis looking at The Book.

 

Cheers

Kevin

 

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3 hours ago, Sithlord75 said:

Hi John, 

 

https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:3017588 N Scale GWR Cordon DD4 Gas Wagon Body by modelrailmusings - Thingiverse

 

I think it should be on a 12' chassis looking at The Book.

 

Cheers

Kevin

 

Thanks Kevin

 

Looking at that link, I am interpreting it correctly to mean that he is offering the file free for anyone to print from?  Just needs someone with a suitable printer?

 

Best wishes

 

John

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On 21/12/2021 at 10:09, John Brenchley said:

Thanks Kevin

 

Looking at that link, I am interpreting it correctly to mean that he is offering the file free for anyone to print from?  Just needs someone with a suitable printer?

 

Best wishes

 

John

That is correct, but you can tip the designer if you feel not is worth it.

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Still some bits to finish, a few couplings and some transfers for the brake van, but the S&D train is ready. Not based on any particular train or photo. Just what is offered from the 2mm shop and as 3d prints (Brake van)   

The loco is a older Farish Jinty with a replacment chassis and a repaint. 

 

S&D train

 

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Here is a contribution from across the Tasman. I had just made a start on the saddle tank when the challenge was announced. It began life as a Dean Sidings resin kit intended to go on a Dapol chassis. I used a modified Association conversion chassis for a 57xx - the prototype dimensions are the same except for a slightly shorter distance between the front wheels and the bufferbeam. In the end, I dismembered the one-piece casting to shorten the boiler and tidy up the saddle tanks. I replaced the footplate with a brass one and changed some of the fittings as well. It is powered by a Nigel Lawton motor.

 

Some years ago, I bought quite a few Masterclass coaches and have built six over the past year. The mix shown here is slightly eclectic, amounting to the last of my pile of Toplight kits and a start on the more modern (1920s) ones. The saddle tank can just about haul all six brass coaches, which is probably as much as the prototype might have done. It also almost stretches from one end of my glorified test track to the other!

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