Brighty1674 Posted May 3, 2021 Share Posted May 3, 2021 (edited) For my next project I would like to scratch build a stores van Diag.BB......in Gwr goods wagons by Atkins,Beard and Tourret I. Chapter 31 are some nice pictures of a stores van .....plate 661 shows an early van number 58140.....the question I would like ask you all is what is the writing on the wagon on the far right, the first line starts with GWR I cannot make out what the word is next to it, the other side of the stanchion, likewise the next line is STORES but I cannot make out the second word, the third line is WOLVERHAMPTON but I cannot see what the 4th line says.......if anyone can help or has an idea of what could be on the side of the van I would be very grateful, I do not want to start the build if I cannot make out what the wording is......your help would be gratefully appreciated......regards dave brighty... Edited May 3, 2021 by Brighty1674 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
WillCav Posted May 3, 2021 Share Posted May 3, 2021 Hi Brighty, Looks to me like: |WOLVER|HAMPTON| |STORES |to be returned to | |WOLVER|HAMPTON| | |When Empty| Where | is the location of a vertical metal framing Regards Will 1 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul H Vigor Posted May 3, 2021 Share Posted May 3, 2021 Does the first line actually read 'Wolverhampton' as in Wolverhampton Stores? 'Wolverhapton' is repeated in the third line? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold 57xx Posted May 3, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted May 3, 2021 I'll third that, looks like "WOLVER HAPMTON" on the first line to me too. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bécasse Posted May 3, 2021 Share Posted May 3, 2021 | WOLVER|HAMPTON | | STORES |to be returned to| | WOLVER | HAMPTON | | |GWR when empty| 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
K14 Posted May 4, 2021 Share Posted May 4, 2021 (edited) 11 hours ago, WillCav said: Hi Brighty, Looks to me like: |WOLVER|HAMPTON| |STORES |to be returned to | |WOLVER|HAMPTON| | |When Empty| Where | is the location of a vertical metal framing Regards Will Possibly a capital T in 'To' - 'When' definitely has a capital, and a bit more of a flourish than usual. Also of note is that the inscription is centred vertically in each plank, rather tan using the bottom edge as a baseline. Pete S. Edited May 4, 2021 by K14 Image upload shenanigans 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Compound2632 Posted May 4, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted May 4, 2021 Lettering is pre-1904 in style - would this have survived indefinitely on a stores van? Plus of course that opens the whole can of worms as to whether this van is grey, red, or even black... 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
WillCav Posted May 4, 2021 Share Posted May 4, 2021 13 hours ago, bécasse said: | WOLVER|HAMPTON | | STORES |to be returned to| | WOLVER | HAMPTON | | |GWR when empty| Having another look at the photo in the book, I agree that line 3 is italic and it looks like GWR on the bottom line, but there isn't space for 'when' - is there a dropper after GWR - could it be? | WOLVER|HAMPTON | | STORES |to be returned to| | WOLVER | HAMPTON | | | GWRy empty | Will Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Compound2632 Posted May 4, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted May 4, 2021 I agree with When Empty on the fourth line. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Stationmaster Posted May 4, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted May 4, 2021 I wonder why it said 'when empty' as GWR Stores Vans normally collected stuff for repair/disposal as they went round their booked circuit as well as delivering stuff. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brighty1674 Posted May 5, 2021 Author Share Posted May 5, 2021 Well thank you all gentleman for your input I think you seem to have cracked it for me, I am very grateful for all your comments, it just goes to show how you can sort anything out you are not sure about.......now for the wagon..... kind regards......dave brighty..... 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brighty1674 Posted July 3, 2021 Author Share Posted July 3, 2021 Hi there…….just thought I would add a photo showing where we are with the stores wagon……construction has been with plasticard, brass, and white metal parts mainly from Ken line , all measurements are from GWR goods wagons by messrs.Atkins,Beard and Tourett and the roof is from Branchlines roof which I find very good, just a few more additions to the wagon and then it is off for painting and transfers…….regards…dave brighty…. 7 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brighty1674 Posted July 13, 2021 Author Share Posted July 13, 2021 Well here is the finished wagon complete with transfers supplied by black square decals……when I came to put the wagon number on the side with HMRS they were to big so a quick message to black square decals and they arrived within two days…..all in all I am well pleased and it adds something a bit different to my layout…….dave brighty 4 12 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bécasse Posted July 13, 2021 Share Posted July 13, 2021 As it is fitted should it have instanter, rather than 3-link, couplings? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
WillCav Posted July 15, 2021 Share Posted July 15, 2021 Dave, Lovely model. What did you use for the planking - was it planked plasticard (if so - which one) or how did you scribe it? They all look really even and straight. Thanks Will Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brighty1674 Posted July 15, 2021 Author Share Posted July 15, 2021 Sorry I cannot take the credit for scribbing the plasticard Will…….it is planked plasticard bought from my local model shop ,Frome model centre…..the width between the Plank’s is 2mm, I believe they do a narrower one for n gauge, and a wider one for O gauge…….dave….. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold 57xx Posted July 25, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 25, 2021 You made a cracking job of that, Dave. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Hodgson Posted July 25, 2021 Share Posted July 25, 2021 On 04/05/2021 at 13:01, The Stationmaster said: I wonder why it said 'when empty' as GWR Stores Vans normally collected stuff for repair/disposal as they went round their booked circuit as well as delivering stuff. Perhaps paint shop were bureaucratically following a general instruction that all company wagons needed a When empty destination? How would the booked circuit work in practice? I assume they would not want to load/unload as required whilst the daily pick up was being shunted. So surely they would detach and send it forward the following day ? That would presumably mean a series of wagon labels - which in turn would imply that the each station knew where it had to go next - unless it travelled complete with a sheaf of ready-filled labels for the whole circuit? Looks fairly long wheelbase and is fitted - so might it run on passenger workings? The same issue would arise for weighing machine calibration vans, although I think they travelled with specialist personnel. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium M.I.B Posted August 11, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted August 11, 2021 On 25/07/2021 at 20:56, Michael Hodgson said: So surely they would detach and send it forward the following day ? That would presumably mean a series of wagon labels - which in turn would imply that the each station knew where it had to go next - unless it travelled complete with a sheaf of ready-filled labels for the whole circuit? Looks fairly long wheelbase and is fitted - so might it run on passenger workings? It would seem that these vehicles ran to a set timetable/route and were dropped off, perhaps taken to a bay or nearby goods shed, dropped deliveries, picked up "returns" and went on their way on a set following service. From the details I have seen they left on a given day and were always at the same stations on the same day of the week. A day or two at Swindon to load and unload, and away they went again. There were a few routes, but not every station on the network was visited, so one assumes that branchline/minor stations and outposts had their stores delivered to the nearest collection/drop point and the local goods or passenger brake took them onwards out into the sticks. 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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