Gwr stores van.....Diag.BB

[Brighty1674]

For my next project I would like to scratch build a stores van Diag.BB......in Gwr goods wagons by Atkins,Beard and Tourret  I. Chapter 31 are some nice pictures of a stores  van .....plate 661 shows an early van number 58140.....the question I would like ask you all is what is the writing on the wagon  on the far right, the first line starts with GWR I cannot  make out what the word is next to it, the other side of the stanchion, likewise the next line is STORES but I cannot make out the second word, the third line is WOLVERHAMPTON but I cannot see what the 4th line says.......if anyone can help or has an idea of what could be on the side of the van I would be very grateful, I do not want to start the build if I cannot make out what the wording is......your help would be gratefully appreciated......regards dave brighty...

 

Edited May 3, 2021 by Brighty1674

[WillCav]

Hi Brighty,

Looks to me like:

|WOLVER|HAMPTON|

|STORES  |to be returned to |

|WOLVER|HAMPTON|

|                |When Empty|

 

Where | is the location of a vertical metal framing

Regards 

Will

[Paul H Vigor]

Does the first line actually read 'Wolverhampton' as in Wolverhampton Stores? 'Wolverhapton' is repeated in the third line?

[57xx]

I'll third that, looks like "WOLVER HAPMTON" on the first line to me too.

[bécasse]

| WOLVER|HAMPTON |

| STORES  |to be returned to|

| WOLVER  | HAMPTON |

|                 |GWR when empty|

[K14]

11 hours ago, WillCav said:

Hi Brighty,

Looks to me like:

|WOLVER|HAMPTON|

|STORES  |to be returned to |

|WOLVER|HAMPTON|

|                |When Empty|

 

Where | is the location of a vertical metal framing

Regards 

Will

 

 

Possibly a capital T in 'To' - 'When' definitely has a capital, and a bit more of a flourish than usual.

 

Also of note is that the inscription is centred vertically in each plank, rather tan using the bottom edge as a baseline.

 

Pete S.

Edited May 4, 2021 by K14
Image upload shenanigans

[Compound2632]

Lettering is pre-1904 in style - would this have survived indefinitely on a stores van? 

 

Plus of course that opens the whole can of worms as to whether this van is grey, red, or even black...

[WillCav]

13 hours ago, bécasse said:

| WOLVER|HAMPTON |

| STORES  |to be returned to|

| WOLVER  | HAMPTON |

|                 |GWR when empty|

Having another look at the photo in the book, I agree that line 3 is italic and it looks like GWR on the bottom line, but there isn't space for 'when' - is there a dropper after GWR - could it be?

 

| WOLVER|HAMPTON |

| STORES  |to be returned to|

| WOLVER  | HAMPTON |

|                 |   GWRy empty   |

 

Will

[Compound2632]

I agree with When Empty on the fourth line.

[The Stationmaster]

I wonder why it said 'when empty' as GWR Stores Vans normally collected stuff for repair/disposal as they went round their booked circuit as well as delivering stuff.

[Brighty1674]

Well thank you all gentleman for your input I think you seem to have cracked it for me, I am very grateful for all your comments, it just goes to show how you can sort anything out you are not sure about.......now for the wagon.....

kind regards......dave brighty.....

[Brighty1674]

Hi there…….just thought I would add a photo showing where we are with the stores wagon……construction has been with plasticard, brass, and white metal parts mainly from Ken line , all measurements are from GWR goods wagons by messrs.Atkins,Beard and Tourett and the roof is from Branchlines roof which I find very good, just a few more additions to the  wagon and then it is off for painting and transfers…….regards…dave brighty….

[Brighty1674]

Well here is the finished wagon complete with transfers supplied by black square decals……when I came to put the wagon number on the side with HMRS they were to big so a quick message to black square decals and they arrived within two days…..all in all I am well pleased and it adds something a bit different to my layout…….dave brighty

[bécasse]

As it is fitted should it have instanter, rather than 3-link, couplings?

[WillCav]

Dave,

 

Lovely model.

 

What did you use for the planking - was it planked plasticard (if so - which one) or how did you scribe it?  They all look really even and straight.  

 

Thanks

Will

[Brighty1674]

Sorry I cannot take the credit for scribbing  the plasticard Will…….it is planked plasticard bought from my local model shop ,Frome model centre…..the width between the Plank’s is 2mm, I believe they do a narrower one for n gauge, and a wider one for O gauge…….dave…..

[57xx]

You made a cracking job of that, Dave.

[Michael Hodgson]

On 04/05/2021 at 13:01, The Stationmaster said:

I wonder why it said 'when empty' as GWR Stores Vans normally collected stuff for repair/disposal as they went round their booked circuit as well as delivering stuff.

Perhaps paint shop were bureaucratically following a general instruction that all company wagons  needed a When empty destination?

 

How would the booked circuit work in practice?  I assume they would not want to load/unload as required whilst the daily pick up was being shunted.  So surely they would detach and send it forward the following day ?  That would presumably mean a series of wagon labels - which in turn would imply that the each station knew where it had to go next - unless it travelled complete with a sheaf of ready-filled labels for the whole circuit?   Looks fairly long wheelbase and is fitted - so might it run on passenger workings?

 

The same issue would arise for weighing machine calibration vans, although I think they travelled with specialist personnel.

[M.I.B]

On 25/07/2021 at 20:56, Michael Hodgson said:

So surely they would detach and send it forward the following day ?  That would presumably mean a series of wagon labels - which in turn would imply that the each station knew where it had to go next - unless it travelled complete with a sheaf of ready-filled labels for the whole circuit?   Looks fairly long wheelbase and is fitted - so might it run on passenger workings?

 

 

It would seem that these vehicles ran to a set timetable/route and were dropped off, perhaps taken to a bay or nearby goods shed, dropped deliveries, picked up "returns" and went on their way on a set following service.  

 

From the details I have seen they left on a given day and were always at the same stations on the same day of the week. A day or two at Swindon to load and unload, and away they went again.

 

There were a few routes, but not every station on the network was visited, so one assumes that branchline/minor stations and outposts had their stores delivered to the nearest collection/drop point and the local goods or passenger brake took them onwards out into the sticks.