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Bachmann Summer 2021 - New products - New 24/0


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2 minutes ago, woodenhead said:

But what is produced sells, so the price/quantity which has to have passed profit tests with Kader must be OK.

 

 

The problems is that with completion for slots in kader factories the profit ratio has to be higher than if production was obtained from a free market. By constraining themselves they are limiting sales - by shopping around they could sell more, at potentially greater %age and/or at a lower price point.

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49 minutes ago, BrushVeteran said:

The grey grille treatment was a Darlington Works feature John.

 

Silver.  Polished ally in reality with soon weathered down to a grimy grey.  :smile_mini2:

 

e.g. https://flic.kr/p/2kf1ojF

 

The Weymouth boat train boards  on the Van C are a bit out of kilter for a S.E. Northumberland/Tyneside loop parcels working that also, that day picked up a load of fish at Tynemouth. 

 

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2 hours ago, Chris M said:


To my mind Revolution may well be that mythical manufacturer. :)

 

Perhaps more seriously bearing in mind market size and developments in international business maybe N gauge is now suited to smaller specialists rather than  larger manufacturers with a large choice of where to invest in new tooling.


In OO I was thinking more Accurascale £225 for 5 mk5s compared to near enough £99 for a mk2f . Yes I know one has DCC , but the other also has lights that work on DC and will suit me very nicely thank you . There are cheaper manufacturers 

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3 minutes ago, Bomag said:

 

The problems is that with completion for slots in kader factories the profit ratio has to be higher than if production was obtained from a free market. By constraining themselves they are limiting sales - by shopping around they could sell more, at potentially greater %age and/or at a lower price point.

Possibly, but they are limited when it comes to Bachmann and Farish branded products, EFE allows them that freedom - but in reality what are they going to produce that's not already part of or in planning from the Kader side.

 

The Class 17 was an oven ready model that just lacked finance, whether there is a King out there somewhere being developed (other than by KR Models) we don't know.  Everything else from EFE so far has come from Heljan (no N) or Kernow's back catalogue - are there any completely new models in the EFE range?

 

Free market is RevolutioN - but they are limited themselves, models need to be able to earn their place just like it has to with Kader, it's no different apart from scale of enterprise.

 

Sonic perhaps is another interesting potential, but one loco so far which still hasn't hit the shelves, another baking in the oven and then what?  If it is a one item at a time enterprise, it will never be more than another RevolutioN in scale.

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15 minutes ago, Bomag said:

 

The problems is that with completion for slots in kader factories the profit ratio has to be higher than if production was obtained from a free market. By constraining themselves they are limiting sales - by shopping around they could sell more, at potentially greater %age and/or at a lower price point.

By using the single source manufacturer they are saving themselves and us the variable interpretation of colour specifications and random quality assurance that Hornby seems to be suffering on the 'open market'.  

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6 minutes ago, woodenhead said:

 

Free market is RevolutioN - but they are limited themselves,

 

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Revolution is a couple of blokes who do/were doing a day job as well. While not perfect e.g. website, the models are very good.

 

What would be better would be a full time company who would have some development capabilities but could then outsource production or design/production as needed to have a bigger portfolio of good models with accurate paint jobs. Basically Dapol without the avoidable errors and without seemingly taking their bat home if people point out their errors.

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4 minutes ago, Bomag said:

What would be better would be a full time company who would have some development capabilities but could then outsource production or design/production as needed to have a bigger portfolio of good models with accurate paint jobs. 

 

Accurascale?


Roy

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42 minutes ago, cctransuk said:

Can I assume that, beyond this livery variation, the early LMR allocated 24s matched the the new Bachmann model?

 

You should be able to do the early LMR ones from Bachmann's D5036 without issue. D5094 won't do it as, even putting aside the polished grilles, it is a 24/1 with the smaller fuel tank. It also has the re-positioned boiler safety valve cantrail recess - Bachmann has done both the original and revised position for these on the new models.

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1 minute ago, Roy Langridge said:

 

Accurascale?


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Given that they are partnering with RevolutioN, then it is unlikely. If Kato wanted to test out a different sales model e.g. 800/801/802s with 500/1k per number and livery instead of several thousand of only 2 versions then that may be a go-err (if unlikely).   

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33 minutes ago, Simon Bendall said:

 

You should be able to do the early LMR ones from Bachmann's D5036 without issue. D5094 won't do it as, even putting aside the polished grilles, it is a 24/1 with the smaller fuel tank. It also has the re-positioned boiler safety valve cantrail recess - Bachmann has done both the original and revised position for these on the new models.

 

Thanks Simon - just what I needed to know.

 

John Isherwood.

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47 minutes ago, woodenhead said:

Sonic perhaps is another interesting potential, but one loco so far which still hasn't hit the shelves, another baking in the oven and then what?  If it is a one item at a time enterprise, it will never be more than another RevolutioN in scale.

 

Sonic have the 56xx due within the next couple of months. When it arrives they're announcing the next N Gauge model and their first OO Gauge model. Apparently the third N Gauge model is at an advanced stage of development. I suspect Sonic are starting slowly and will build up momentum.

 

There's a back-log from Bachmann in both N and OO Gauges - Peter's Spares has sections on their website for models that are still be be released:

Bachmann: 249

Farish: 146

Hornby: 379

Dapol OO: 6

Dapol N: 1

(I take these numbers with a pinch of salt - the Hornby ones include paints and figures from the Steam Punk range whilst Dapol's count excludes the Mk3 Sleepers and SR Pacifics).

 

As a N Gauge modeller it's disappointing that there's not more being delivered (both new and already announced stock). It's infuriating that what should be simple re-runs or re-liveries don't happen more often and that batch sizes seemingly don't take into account the likely popularity of a model - it's much easier finding a first class, buffet or brake coach several months after release than a standard class  version for example.

 

I blame Thomas the Tank Engine for stealing the production slots!

 

Steven B.

 

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Unfortunately the Class 24 looks like it shares the same bodyside grille profile fault, as the Class 24 with headcode. This makes sense as I assume the 24 'skinhead is a tooling mod of the version released last year. The grille edges at the body joint appear to rise at an angle, whereas they should be flat and slightly above the bodyside. The grilles are level with the outer edge, instead of being slightly recessed, these two issues give the grilles the impression of a larger profile than they should have. I purchased a SLW green class 24 a couple of months ago and am glad I did. I received great help from Heather and Phil and I was told I was getting one of the last D5083 models and sure enough a couple of days later, that model was removed from the website. As a result of this superb model and the support, I've ordered a 25/3 from them. With the recent price increase to the Bachmann product range, whereas SLW has maintained it's price, I'm glad I made the decision I did.

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16 minutes ago, rembrow said:

Unfortunately the Class 24 looks like it shares the same bodyside grille profile fault, as the Class 24 with headcode. This makes sense as I assume the 24 'skinhead is a tooling mod of the version released last year. The grille edges at the body joint appear to rise at an angle, whereas they should be flat and slightly above the bodyside. The grilles are level with the outer edge, instead of being slightly recessed, these two issues give the grilles the impression of a larger profile than they should have.

 

I think that I can live with that - as I would never have noticed anyway!

 

I have no doubt that the new Bachmann model find a ready market - myself included.

 

John Isherwood.

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2 hours ago, osbornsmodels said:

just had this from the horse's mouth and more encouraging for Farish hopes

I can also assure you that if you get asked and I am sure you will, Graham Farish has not been forgotten just wait until the Autumn launch, rest assured we have some very exciting models en route.

Next announcement should be early August by my maths, the closest announcement to TINGS in September, should it happen, to give us plenty to talk about?

 

Jo

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3 hours ago, davidw said:

I think it's been mentioned earlier in the thread - the continued lack of maroon Thompsons is a startling omission. 

Perhaps the earlier releases haven't sold well - I'd have thought maroon would have been more popular than earlier liveries 

 

Well, I did my bit and bought a full rake of the faux teak ones though was surprised that the BG was not retooled at the same time as all of the other variants.

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23 minutes ago, Opelsi said:

 

Well, I did my bit and bought a full rake of the faux teak ones though was surprised that the BG was not retooled at the same time as all of the other variants.

An RF would have been incredibly useful too.

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30 minutes ago, davidw said:

An RF would have been incredibly useful too.

Bachmann did say before the models were delivered that they would look at restaurant cars if the sales were good enough.

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Re the blue Class 24/0 32-416 I've no problem with them issuing a retooled version, but given they have over a hundred examples to choose from, I'm curious that they have again chosen to model 24035 when this was also the subject of 32-425DS from around 2008. I guess at least this time they can use the correct underfloor tank format as the old tooling was unable to replicate the variety of short/long/missing water and fuel tank combinations that the prototypes had acquired by the 70s.

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Glad to see the maroon compound at last, but other than that I get the distinct impression that Bachmann are running out of steam (sorry) and inspiration. For instance, I own a couple of the earlier Class 24s and a couple of SLW ones - there's no way I'm going to buy any more.

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31 minutes ago, shunny said:

Bachmann did say before the models were delivered that they would look at restaurant cars if the sales were good enough.

I'm aware of that. It would be good

 

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10 hours ago, phil-b259 said:

Nice to see the Midland compound finally available in LMS maroon - lets hope it sells well and we get more colourful releases of LMS locos in future.

 

To be pedantic, it's an LMS standard compound.  To be even more pedantic, can anyone say whether the condition modelled (replacement "Stanier" pattern chimney and strengthened front frames) matches the pre-1936 livery? 

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59 minutes ago, Chris56057 said:

Missed a trick not releasing anymore 90's, 47's or 37's. Come to think of it, could of had more 150's and 158's too - disappointing announcement generally. 

 

I guess I see the announcement in the context of the big pile of stuff due from Bachmann this year,

 

 

Though I like the look of the Compound...

 

Cheers,

 

Keith

 

 

 

 

 

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