Bachmann Summer 2021 - New products - New 24/0

[Legend]

59 minutes ago, Chris56057 said:

Missed a trick not releasing anymore 90's, 47's or 37's. Come to think of it, could of had more 150's and 158's too - disappointing announcement generally. 

In fairness to Bachmann these are quarterly announcements . I think too many people are expecting A “Hornby” style announcement every quarter.  I get why they are doing it . Following criticism of models not turning up for years , they only announce what’s arriving in next three months.   I do wonder if they have enough to sustain this though , and whether they will ever meet people’s expectations. I’d prefer one announcement but with  the certainty of stuff arriving in that year, or no announcement until stuff turns up . That would certainly be more appropriate for “N” where frankly there’s just not enough to merit  quarterly announcements .  You end up with circumstances where a toilet block is the headline announcement. 

[Steamport Southport]

10 minutes ago, Flying Pig said:

 

To be pedantic, it's an LMS standard compound.  To be even more pedantic, can anyone say whether the condition modelled (replacement "Stanier" pattern chimney and strengthened front frames) matches the pre-1936 livery? 

 

Yes. Photo of the same loco available from Colour Rail at Crewe in that condition dated 1937 (I think). Even in colour.

 

And this photo.

 

https://www.flickr.com/photos/31514768@N05/51017448392/

 

 

Jason

[Flying Pig]

4 minutes ago, Legend said:

You end up with circumstances where a toilet block is the headline announcement. 

 

There are circumstances where a toilet block is by far the most welcome announcement.

[The Johnster]

10 hours ago, Aire Head said:

Every hobby I participate in is always “dieing” according to certain participants.

 

This is despite they fact that usually the hobbies have increased participation compared to previous years and the range of products and companies supplying into them has increased.

I’ve been messing around with 00 railways for 65 years now and stated taking magazines regularly 58 years ago.  In the letters page of the first one I ever read was a screed bemoaning the fact that the hobby was dying because young people were not interested in it.  It was rubbish then and still is now!

[killucan2]

So, the 20,24,45 have got a update,next the 40?? Coach the mk2b?  

[MrTea]

17 hours ago, GordonC said:

 

I'm surprised that there seems to be a view of SLW being some kind of different league to the other manufacturers, perhaps on detail but not on price because the additional cost is minimal.

Bachmann Class 24/0 DCC Ready - £180, DCC Sound - £280.

SLW DCC Ready - £185, DCC Sound £295.

 

Bachmann models tend to be available at a 15% discount, but even so if you're spending over £150 to start with its not an awful lot more for the extra detail and accuracy

Given that there really is very little price difference between the SLW model and this newly announced Bachmann one you’ve got to assume it’s been in the planning for a while? Otherwise surely it would have made more sense to save the tooling costs and commission SLW to produce the models for Bachmann and sell them under the EFE Rail brand!?

 

I suppose what is good is that we’re seeing manufacturers having to raise the bar in terms of fidelity and quality as a result of each other’s activities. If you want a cheaper Class 24 there will probably be some available on that well-know auction site. 

[Chris M]

13 hours ago, Steadfast said:

Next announcement should be early August by my maths, the closest announcement to TINGS in September, should it happen, to give us plenty to talk about?

 

Jo

This recent announcement has given us plenty to talk about, just not in a good way!

[Opelsi]

6 hours ago, killucan2 said:

So, the 20,24,45 have got a update, next the 40?? Coach the mk2b?  

I get the logic of that.

I think it is only a matter of time before some company (be it Bachmann probably, or another) does the Mk2b and/or Mk2c coaches to complete the sub-classes.

I would not be surprised if Bachmann did a Mk1 Bullion coach either as an interesting variation.

What does however surprise me is the duplication and re-tooling of class previously done when there are things like Classes 01, 06, 74, 80. 81, 82, 83, 84 that have not been done, either to a decent standard or at all in recent times.

For someone who has been in the hobby for almost half a century I realise how little I understand it's market sometimes! 

[truffy]

19 hours ago, John Tomlinson said:

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Given that most of this thread seems to be about prices and what hasn’t been announced, I’d have thought a little frivolity would be welcome. 

[Fredo]

Hi, I heard on the Bachmann announcement yesterday that they are planning to release more Class 24/0’s. I currently have older Bachmann models of D5061 and D5072, the newer models are of the both the D5000-5050 and  D5051-5113 batches as I understand it and there are differences between the 2 types. Does that mean that the older models of D5061 and D5072 are in anyway incorrect specifically in terms of the items under the bodywork. Thanks Fred

[Georgeconna]

9 hours ago, The Johnster said:

I’ve been messing around with 00 railways for 65 years now and stated taking magazines regularly 58 years ago.  In the letters page of the first one I ever read was a screed bemoaning the fact that the hobby was dying because young people were not interested in it.  It was rubbish then and still is now!

 

Dying no, Shrinking perhaps. Hence all the model shops that have closed over the years,

[Black 5 Bear]

54 minutes ago, Fredo said:

Hi, I heard on the Bachmann announcement yesterday that they are planning to release more Class 24/0’s. I currently have older Bachmann models of D5061 and D5072, the newer models are of the both the D5000-5050 and  D5051-5113 batches as I understand it and there are differences between the 2 types. Does that mean that the older models of D5061 and D5072 are in anyway incorrect specifically in terms of the items under the bodywork. Thanks Fred

Early Bachmann 24/0 were good models in their day, but like everything, time has marched on with advances in detailing/technology and manufacturing processes. 

Edited May 6, 2021 by Black 5 Bear
Typo

[andyman7]

1 minute ago, Black 5 Bear said:

Early Bachmann 24/0 were good models in their day, but like everything, time has marched on with advances in derailing/technology and manufacturing processes. 

There's a lot of quibbling about the shape of the earlier Bachmann 24/0 but these things are personal. For me, the real issue was that the tooling did not allow them to accurately represent the actual layout of the particular locos they chose to model, particularly in the underframe area. Indeed as time has gone by I have become aware just how approximate many of the earlier diesel releases were in this regard - more recent issue are much more accurate to the specific locos modelled in general.

[Black 5 Bear]

6 minutes ago, andyman7 said:

There's a lot of quibbling about the shape of the earlier Bachmann 24/0 but these things are personal. For me, the real issue was that the tooling did not allow them to accurately represent the actual layout of the particular locos they chose to model, particularly in the underframe area. Indeed as time has gone by I have become aware just how approximate many of the earlier diesel releases were in this regard - more recent issue are much more accurate to the specific locos modelled in general.

The newish 24/1 being a prime example of how good these new releases actually are.

[Zunnan]

18 minutes ago, Black 5 Bear said:

The newish 24/1 being a prime example of how good these new releases actually are.

 

The headcode 24 (24/1 if you prefer) stands up as not too bad when sat next to a SLW class 24. And at the price the headcode 24 was sold for its really quite a nice model. At £180rrp it'll be on the shelves for £153ish, which is still some way off SLW so I can see the sense in redoing the skinhead; its been a Bachmann staple for decades and it'll sit nicely with the recent headcode release.

 

For me though, the real shame is they have repeated a previous release from their own stable. OK, 24035 was a late survivor lasting into late 1978 so it makes a bit of sense, but there were other late survivors in 063 and 082 that lasted a bit longer and I believe haven't already been the subject of a Bachmann model. I'd have sided with 082 as it was a railtour regular towards the end.

[SGP]

The 009 coaches look like they are reboxed Liliput B4ipho/s so actually HOe. 

Not too much of a problem, 3.5 masquerading as 4.0 ... doesn't work so well the other way around.

[Roy Langridge]

3 minutes ago, SGP said:

The 009 coaches look like they are reboxed Liliput B4ipho/s so actually HOe. 

Not too much of a problem, 3.5 masquerading as 4.0 ... doesn't work so well the other way around.

 

Not sure about that - narrow gauge coaches are most often small, if they are 3.5mm/ft then they will be even smaller and possibly make it look that people would not fit in it.

Roy

[MikeParkin65]

10 minutes ago, Zunnan said:

 

The headcode 24 (24/1 if you prefer) stands up as not too bad when sat next to a SLW class 24. And at the price the headcode 24 was sold for its really quite a nice model. At £180rrp it'll be on the shelves for £153ish, which is still some way off SLW so I can see the sense in redoing the skinhead; its been a Bachmann staple for decades and it'll sit nicely with the recent headcode release.

 

For me though, the real shame is they have repeated a previous release from their own stable. OK, 24035 was a late survivor lasting into late 1978 so it makes a bit of sense, but there were other late survivors in 063 and 082 that lasted a bit longer and I believe haven't already been the subject of a Bachmann model. I'd have sided with 082 as it was a railtour regular towards the end.

Spot on. Its a funny recent quirk of Bachmanns to rerun models with the same identity as previous releases and I'm sure it must cost them sales. I think they most recently did with the Crab Many of us a happy to run older releases with new versions even where the new model highlights the deficiencies of the old but I wouldnt buy a model with the same number as one I already have.

 

Yes I can renumber but if I am going to do that I can also save myself money by buying second hand off ebay rather than buying new, which is what I have done with previously mentioned Crab

[TomScrut]

4 hours ago, Opelsi said:

Classes 01, 06, 74, 80. 81, 82, 83, 84 that have not been done, either to a decent standard or at all in recent times.

 

On top of the class 88, which has been about a while, the 69 which is only just out in the wild, and the class 18 which is going to be made.

 

And if you include MUs that haven't been done the list would be very long.

[woodenhead]

5 hours ago, Opelsi said:

What does however surprise me is the duplication and re-tooling of class previously done when there are things like Classes 01, 06, 74, 80. 81, 82, 83, 84 that have not been done, either to a decent standard or at all in recent times.

 

Class 01 - one livery, one location = Specialist Commission

Class 06 - Hornby will claim that one, though in reality restricted location and only a couple of liveries - perhaps one for Heljan, they like shunters.

Class 74 - Been attempted, it didn't get traction and I suspect some fingers were burnt in the process.  Not to say it will never happen but it's going to be a commission piece, perhaps Kernow, but they will know really how many pre-orders there were last time round.

Class 80 - it's base was 18100, a relative of 18000 but from another mother, which is being done by Rails.  Perhaps if 18000 does well, Rails may consider 18100 and it's electric convert.

Class 81-84 - I reckon there will be models of these from a mix of manufacturers - Bachmann, Heljan and maybe a commission somewhere.

[Roy Langridge]

1 hour ago, woodenhead said:

Class 01 - one livery, one location = Specialist Commission

 

Eh? Allocated to Stratford and Holyhead at least.

 

Black with and without wasp stripes. Carried D numbers and TOPS as well as one having a departmental number.

 

Have carried BR blue and green in preservation.

 

And 01002 lasted until 1981 in service

 

Not bad for a class of 5...

 

Edit: looked them up - were allocated to Stratford, Doncaster, Newton Heath and Holyhead. Quite a wide spread...

 

Roy

 

 

Edited May 6, 2021 by Roy Langridge

[Michael Hodgson]

2 hours ago, woodenhead said:

Class 01 - one livery, one location = Specialist Commission

 

 

There are photos of them in black with and without wasp ends, in green with wasp ends and in blue with yellow ends.

 

Also they were numbered in the D series but originally in the 11000 range, and one of them was Departmental 81.

Edited May 6, 2021 by Michael Hodgson
Roy beat me to it!

[Steamport Southport]

Saw the two 01s at Holyhead when I was a kid where you could just walk into the shed....

 

However if you want one get the Judith Edge kit. All very well complaining about one RTR manufacturer standing on the feet of another RTR manufacturer, but what about supporting the little guys as well? 

 

https://www.ukmodelshops.co.uk/catalogue/judithedge.html

 

They also do an 06 as well.

 

 

Jason

[97406]

I missed the boat with the SLW ‘Experiment’ so a Bachmann one will do nicely, having just got a 24/1. That cab front roof profile that dogged the old models is gone.

[Phil Parker]

25 minutes ago, Steamport Southport said:

Saw the two 01s at Holyhead when I was a kid where you could just walk into the shed....

 

However if you want one get the Judith Edge kit. All very well complaining about one RTR manufacturer standing on the feet of another RTR manufacturer, but what about supporting the little guys as well? 

 

https://www.ukmodelshops.co.uk/catalogue/judithedge.html

 

They also do an 06 as well.

 

 

Jason

 

Both excellent kits.