Gordon Connell Posted May 19, 2021 Share Posted May 19, 2021 Well, some of this seems to have been well posted in advance. Rail services to come under unified state control - BBC News 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post BernardTPM Posted May 19, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted May 19, 2021 I think we could drop the 'Great'... 1 17 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Reorte Posted May 19, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted May 19, 2021 Well the carnet tickets sounds good. The rest? No idea to be honest, the usual (generally justified) scepticism of any change is at play. I suppose the worry is whether it's another move towards a railway run even more by politicians. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium John M Upton Posted May 19, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted May 19, 2021 I fully expect that the RMT will already be warming up ready for some tub thumping. I think GB Railfreight (a.k.a. GBRf) may have something to say about GBR..... 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavidB-AU Posted May 19, 2021 Share Posted May 19, 2021 Another article: https://www.theguardian.com/business/2021/may/19/uk-rail-overhaul-privatised-great-british-railways- Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium uax6 Posted May 19, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted May 19, 2021 I wonder what the logo will be? Andy G 1 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Popular Post newbryford Posted May 19, 2021 RMweb Premium Popular Post Share Posted May 19, 2021 As long as they keep painting the test trains yellow..................... 3 1 16 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Dagworth Posted May 19, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted May 19, 2021 4 minutes ago, uax6 said: I wonder what the logo will be? Andy G https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Rail_Double_Arrow 10 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold PaulRhB Posted May 20, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted May 20, 2021 Third logo on the t-shirt since I started! 2 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grizz Posted May 20, 2021 Share Posted May 20, 2021 Mmmmmm.... Great British Railways it is then well! https://www.gov.uk/government/news/great-british-railways-for-the-passenger I wonder if we will go back to the Ferret and Dartboard logo?. Ah probably more likely to be a unicorn holding a triangular wheel, surrounded by a circular rainbow..... 1 13 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lmsforever Posted May 20, 2021 Share Posted May 20, 2021 Just call it British Railways no fancy names ,run the trains on time ,reasonable fares ,electrify all main lines ,comfortable trains ie good seats.Hope that mp,s dont poke their noses into day to day running and provide a decent budget for development ,but I am not holding out much hope. 4 14 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmthtrains - David Posted May 20, 2021 Share Posted May 20, 2021 Sounds like a similar set up to TFL. For the modeller this will herald a big change, and possibly not a good one for manufacturers, as it will operate as one brand. This means one livery I suspect, so fewer variations of a model to sell. David Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium PeterStiles Posted May 20, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted May 20, 2021 Era 12 eh? That'll now make me seven eras old. 1 7 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold PaulRhB Posted May 20, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted May 20, 2021 4 minutes ago, bmthtrains - David said: Sounds like a similar set up to TFL. For the modeller this will herald a big change, and possibly not a good one for manufacturers, as it will operate as one brand. This means one livery I suspect, so fewer variations of a model to sell. David No I think you’ll see the same variety as the franchises just morph into these set rate operations. The govt already set the names on the main franchises like GWR, LNER and SWR and the new idea was already mooted as bidding to run at a set fee. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zomboid Posted May 20, 2021 Share Posted May 20, 2021 The headline seems to be the changing of franchises into management contracts, though the devil will be in the detail as far as how the various parties work together. 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supaned Posted May 20, 2021 Share Posted May 20, 2021 Having just skimmed through the report , on the face of it a lot sounds positive. Naturally having a vested interest , chapter 8 regarding staff was the bit I was looking closely at. Whilst my salary is in the public domain , I'm not necessarily happy with the concept of comparison with other sectors and labour markets - we've been down this road before with McNulty comparing train drivers to white van man. I think we can all see where this is heading.... 2 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Dunsignalling Posted May 20, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted May 20, 2021 Lots of good ideas, but all will rest on the implementation. Hopefully it won't be rushed in nationwide without a proper pilot scheme. The real worry is that all the ingredients are there to produce DaFTRail. John 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ess1uk Posted May 20, 2021 Share Posted May 20, 2021 Another re-org before the latest one has finished 7 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmthtrains - David Posted May 20, 2021 Share Posted May 20, 2021 46 minutes ago, PaulRhB said: No I think you’ll see the same variety as the franchises just morph into these set rate operations. The govt already set the names on the main franchises like GWR, LNER and SWR and the new idea was already mooted as bidding to run at a set fee. The report states that one national brand (sub brand for Wales) will use an updated version of the BR double arrow and will replace current liveries as and when they need repainting. David 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevelewis Posted May 20, 2021 Share Posted May 20, 2021 Paint locos Green or Black and coaching stock Maroon please 9 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold PaulRhB Posted May 20, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted May 20, 2021 4 minutes ago, bmthtrains - David said: The report states that one national brand (sub brand for Wales) will use an updated version of the BR double arrow and will replace current liveries as and when they need repainting. David It looks like a sort of return to the BR sub brands so I think from what we’ve seen there will be different livery variations like that but carrying the same brand name. Plus they want more open access and the existing freight. It’s scant on detail at present so I’m going by what’s been said on the ‘management contracts’ already. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium rab Posted May 20, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted May 20, 2021 (edited) How long before the cracks start to show. Edited May 20, 2021 by rab 1 2 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nearholmer Posted May 20, 2021 Share Posted May 20, 2021 (edited) Hoo-blooming-ray! (tempered with fears) I've experience the Old BR, Sectorised BR, TfL/LUL, and NR/TOC arrangements, and the TfL one, which this seems most akin to, is without doubt the best for both customers and staff (although for the latter it can actually be a tougher regime in some ways, because it leaves fewer places to hide!). My fears for it relate four main things: - The TfL model has very, very clear accountability, direct to a bodies that represents the interests of public very effectively (for many years now an elected mayor, and a board with good representation across the community), whereas all previous national models for England (Scotland and Wales have become different since devolution) have been woefully short on direct accountability, with accountability getting lost in the mire of DfT and parliament, the second of which isn't a fit body for the job, because it has far too many other, much bigger, fish to fry; - TfL has managed very well to keep the national civil service off their back for the vast majority of practical purposes, by a combination of its legislative positioning, and by having directors who have been prepared to hold the line against "well intentioned overstepping of the regulatory line". Again, I wonder if this new body will be able to achieve that, to get the regulatory line set in the right place, and hold that line; - the national rail network is big, which always makes for a tension between centralised and devolved control, which TfL only for a short period in the 1980s allowed itself to get enmeshed in. It was a potential tension under the Old BR model, but the very traditional modes of communication and the regional board structures largely prevented trouble (the regions were on a pretty loose rein in many things), it plagues NR now, despite best efforts to resolve it, and modern communications bring with them a really sore temptation for the centre to micro-manage the periphery, because they give the illusion that such a thing is possible; - culture and competence across the industry have been set by donkey's years of roughly how it is now, and two worrying things that I have observed at every one of the "worm's eye" contacts that I have with it are: that only a tiny fraction of people in NR really "live and breath" the combination of end-user-customer focus and personal accountability that is needed to deliver a cracking good service at a stated price, far too many people simply don't get it, and haven't been required to get it in 20+ years; and, there are genuinely serious competence gaps all over the place, with attempts made to plug them using outside services that themselves are also short of competence. Fixing these two things is going to be a monster task, but if they aren't fixed, the new model railway will bog-in up to its axles. Fingers crossed! Kevin Edited May 20, 2021 by Nearholmer 10 2 3 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pandora Posted May 20, 2021 Share Posted May 20, 2021 The link takes you to the Gov.uk page where you can read or download the source document of Williams -Shapps plan https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/great-british-railways-williams-shapps-plan-for-rail 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium corneliuslundie Posted May 20, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted May 20, 2021 Has he not noticed that he is only talking about England? Wales is not a "sub-brand", it is devolved for train operation (not the infrastructure side except for the Cardiff area light rail scheme) and Scotland and Ireland are also devolved. So he can have a "Great English Railway" if he likes though to parallel our current diplomatic activities it should probably be "Little English Railway". Come back Gerry Fiennes: "When you reorganise you bleed" Jonathan 3 5 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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