Jack P Posted May 31, 2021 Share Posted May 31, 2021 Hey guys, I'm on the hunt for some photos of self trimming tender 732 (Paired with 932 first and then 905 later). Specifically it would be great to find some photos of the interior of the bunker and/or photos of the rear tender plates. I've done a deep trawl online, but haven't been able to find anything. Does anyone have anything, or can recommend a book to me? Thanks in advance! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wickham Green too Posted June 1, 2021 Share Posted June 1, 2021 From a quick comparison, some time ago, I THINK the bunker looked to be exactly the same size as that used for the Nelsons .............. and I'm sure the detail of modification ( rear plate ) would have been identical ( Why on earth reinvent the wheel ??!? ). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Blandford1969 Posted June 1, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted June 1, 2021 Isn't the tender on Repton all but identical to that on Blundells? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wickham Green too Posted June 1, 2021 Share Posted June 1, 2021 No - Nothing like ! ......... the bunker's not been modified to self-trimming - and the raised sides are a very different shape. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack P Posted June 1, 2021 Author Share Posted June 1, 2021 3 hours ago, Blandford1969 said: Isn't the tender on Repton all but identical to that on Blundells? I've made that mistake before, there are actually quite a few differences. It is an easy trap to fall into though 5 hours ago, Wickham Green too said: From a quick comparison, some time ago, I THINK the bunker looked to be exactly the same size as that used for the Nelsons .............. and I'm sure the detail of modification ( rear plate ) would have been identical ( Why on earth reinvent the wheel ??!? ). Looking at the few photos I do have, it certainly looks to be the case in other areas! Based on some hard/fast measurements I think the extended raves are a little shorter on the Schools tender (I think!) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wickham Green too Posted June 2, 2021 Share Posted June 2, 2021 I don't think I've ever seen a drawing of the Blundells tender - but so far as I know it remained at 5 tons capacity just like the Nelsons ( original & rebuild ). [ The American rebuild behind Repton is an aesthetic disaster in my opinion - and I'm sure the N.Y.M.R. could do something to make it look more like the Blundells one if they tried ....... or return it to original style : how much coal do they use in a day ? - the 'Schools' used to run to Bournemouth without needing to refuel, that must be a couple of returns on the Moors allowing for the gradients.] Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wickham Green too Posted June 14, 2021 Share Posted June 14, 2021 Two weeks later - almost ... Found a near broadside shot of Blundells' tender in Brian Haresnape's 'Maunsell Locomotives ( Ian Allan, 1977 ). Guesstimating where the top rave starts to curve downwards, it looks to be a whisker ahead of the rear tender spring's front hanger - or, maybe 59mm ( in 4mm scale ) from the front drawbeam. Measuring a high-sided Nelson tender drawing gives a distance from the drawbeam to the start of the down-curve of ............ approx. 59mm ............................................................ so if it isn't identical, it's as near as dammit ! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack P Posted June 14, 2021 Author Share Posted June 14, 2021 2 minutes ago, Wickham Green too said: Two weeks later - almost ... Found a near broadside shot of Blundells' tender in Brian Haresnape's 'Maunsell Locomotives ( Ian Allan, 1977 ). Guesstimating where the top rave starts to curve downwards, it looks to be a whisker ahead of the rear tender spring's front hanger - or, maybe 59mm ( in 4mm scale ) from the front drawbeam. Measuring a high-sided Nelson tender drawing gives a distance from the drawbeam to the start of the down-curve of ............ approx. 59mm ............................................................ so if it isn't identical, it's as near as dammit ! There's info in another book (the name of which evades me at present), that states that the bunker was lifted directly from the LN drawing. Of course this means I'll need to re-do the work i've done, as my Raves are too short by about 6mm. it's good practice! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wickham Green too Posted June 14, 2021 Share Posted June 14, 2021 Sod's Law that the crucial info arrives too late ............. at least you'll ( probably ) be ahead of Hornby with this variant ! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Blandford1969 Posted August 10, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted August 10, 2021 (edited) I was doing some negative scanning and came across this negative of 932 at Waterloo. It shows no plate on the back of the tender. Sorry I did not find it sooner, no shots of the interior of the tender though. Best wishes Duncan Edited August 11, 2021 by Blandford1969 Take out erroneous date 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium phil-b259 Posted August 10, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted August 10, 2021 (edited) 22 minutes ago, Blandford1969 said: I was doing some negative scanning and came across this negative of 932 at Waterloo post WW2 by the look of the lettering. It shows no plate on the back of the tender. Sorry I did not find it sooner, no shots of the interior of the tender though. Best wishes Duncan That picture is more likely just before WW2 rather than after as the Glazing on the end of the Trainshead looks remarkably intact! Bulleid took over in 1938 and his Malachite green livery was decided on before WW2 - its just that not many locos got it before a certain German decided to have a go obliterating Poland.... Edited August 10, 2021 by phil-b259 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack P Posted August 10, 2021 Author Share Posted August 10, 2021 25 minutes ago, Blandford1969 said: I was doing some negative scanning and came across this negative of 932 at Waterloo post WW2 by the look of the lettering. It shows no plate on the back of the tender. Sorry I did not find it sooner, no shots of the interior of the tender though. Best wishes Duncan That's absolutely fantastic - Thank you. The replacement tender has arrived and when motivation hits I'll give it another go! 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bécasse Posted August 10, 2021 Share Posted August 10, 2021 Waiting to run light engine (probably coupled with one or more others) to Nine Elms shed. It is interesting that not only is there no plate on the back of the tender, there is no painted number either. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Blandford1969 Posted August 10, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted August 10, 2021 At least now you can say and you know its right as otherwise some bright spark would be bound to say 'that's not right' Of course what we do not know, unless I stumble across another of the tender that at other times it did have a number and plate on the back. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Graham_Muz Posted August 10, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted August 10, 2021 (edited) The photo is defiantly pre war as it has the original Bullied version of ‘Southern’ with the pointed ‘N’ Therefore after July 1938. It should also be noted that the lining is white not yellow. Edited August 10, 2021 by Graham_Muz 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack P Posted August 10, 2021 Author Share Posted August 10, 2021 17 minutes ago, bécasse said: It is interesting that not only is there no plate on the back of the tender, there is no painted number either. It seems to be almost random that numbers are/aren't painted on the back of the tender. You can only really be sure if there's a photo to prove it at the specific time! 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wickham Green too Posted August 10, 2021 Share Posted August 10, 2021 932's post-war green period was from July 1948 to March 1951 ( hardly seems worth doing ) so would not have had 'SOUTHERN' on the tender .... moreover, she was then allocated to the Brick or St Leonards so would have been a very rare sight at Waterloo. Yep - pre-war green it is ! ( July '38 to July '45 mostly based at Bournemouth or Blazingsmoke ) 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bécasse Posted August 11, 2021 Share Posted August 11, 2021 11 hours ago, Jack P said: It seems to be almost random that numbers are/aren't painted on the back of the tender. You can only really be sure if there's a photo to prove it at the specific time! I hadn't noticed that, perhaps because of the relative paucity of photographs of the rear of tenders. It seems probable, then, that the practice varied between different works unless it resulted from some tenders being unallocated (to a specific loco) at the precise moment of repainting. One other point, the lining as applied was indeed white (in both this early Bulleid and previous liveries) but in use it very quickly turned a pale buff, probably from being wiped over with oily rags. There are contemporary reports of this (but don't ask me to find them now) and Havenstreet have exactly the same experience with their Southern-livered locos. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wickham Green too Posted August 11, 2021 Share Posted August 11, 2021 The So 4 hours ago, bécasse said: ...... unless it resulted from some tenders being unallocated (to a specific loco) at the precise moment of repainting. ..... The Southern 'normally' outshopped each loco with the tender it arrived with ...... while there were many changes, they often seem to have been expedient in-traffic swaps and there wasn't the general free-for-all seen elsewhere. As an early malachite paint job, it's possible that no decision had been reached on 'tender behind' numbers henceforth. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Blandford1969 Posted August 11, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted August 11, 2021 2 hours ago, bécasse said: I hadn't noticed that, perhaps because of the relative paucity of photographs of the rear of tenders Ah, you say that and then another comes along, again of 932 from some more scanning of negs, this time with a small tender at Waterloo again. You are right though they are very rare views. Best wishes Duncan 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Graham_Muz Posted August 11, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted August 11, 2021 26 minutes ago, Blandford1969 said: Ah, you say that and then another comes along, again of 932 from some more scanning of negs, this time with a small tender at Waterloo again. You are right though they are very rare views. Best wishes Duncan Taken between Feb 1935 and 7th Feb 1936... 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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