montyburns56 Posted September 4, 2021 Author Share Posted September 4, 2021 GWR 1076 Class '947' at Bath Spa 1910 by John Law 10 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
montyburns56 Posted September 5, 2021 Author Share Posted September 5, 2021 GWR 2-4-0T 632 Bristol Temple Meads 1910 by John Law 8 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
montyburns56 Posted September 6, 2021 Author Share Posted September 6, 2021 District Railway '33' at Lillie Bridge Depot 1900 by John Law 11 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
montyburns56 Posted September 7, 2021 Author Share Posted September 7, 2021 Metropolitan Railway No.11 Willesden Green by John Law 8 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
montyburns56 Posted September 8, 2021 Author Share Posted September 8, 2021 Ealing Broadway 1925 11 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
montyburns56 Posted September 9, 2021 Author Share Posted September 9, 2021 I believe that this unusual arrangement was to do with its conversion to a Kylchap chimney. A3 2751 'Humorist' Retford 1930 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LMS2968 Posted September 9, 2021 Share Posted September 9, 2021 28 minutes ago, montyburns56 said: I believe that this unusual arrangement was to do with its conversion to a Kylchap chimney. A3 2751 'Humorist' Retford 1930 I suggest it was a smoke lifting experiment. Similar and equally unsuccessful disfigurements were applied to the Royal Scots on the other side of the Pennines. 2 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold phil_sutters Posted September 11, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 11, 2021 (edited) Flickr is not the only site with good railway photos. If you look to the right of the photo - the See also .... menu has a load of group albums with a wide range of railway subjects. http://www.ipernity.com/doc/302581/50963634 Edited September 11, 2021 by phil_sutters 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
montyburns56 Posted September 11, 2021 Author Share Posted September 11, 2021 Need a good excuse to buy those Hattons Genesis coaches? GNR Stirling No. 1 Hadley Wood 1938 by John Law 8 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nearholmer Posted September 11, 2021 Share Posted September 11, 2021 On 08/09/2021 at 19:06, montyburns56 said: Ealing Broadway 1925 Those are Met District (ie District) Railway locos, usually used to haul the through trains to the LT&S, but I’m not sure those are LT&S coaches. Does anyone know for sure? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
montyburns56 Posted September 12, 2021 Author Share Posted September 12, 2021 Horse shunting at Grantham 1930 by John Law 7 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
montyburns56 Posted September 13, 2021 Author Share Posted September 13, 2021 GNR 2-8-0 No. 460 New Southgate by John Law 8 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Engineer Posted September 13, 2021 Share Posted September 13, 2021 (edited) In response to last Saturday evening's enquiry: "Those are Met District (ie District) Railway locos, usually used to haul the through trains to the LT&S, but I’m not sure those are LT&S coaches. Does anyone know for sure?" I don't know for sure - and wary of speaking out on subjects I've not studied. However, I have some initial thoughts, and if a separate thread emerges, maybe others will be able to provide further evidence or find the reference material faster than I can! The image in the LT Museum collection is dated 23 July 1927. It's an agency picture and I feel the date is reliable. Naturally we might expect the stock to be the LT&SR corridor vehicles built for the Ealing-Southend run. There were two trains of these vehicles, the last survivors being on the Shropshire/Montgomeryshire line at least to the late 1950s. Southend services, until the later years, tended to require three trains to cover the workings. Very likely the image shows the 'third' train, using more conventional stock from the LTSR/LMS fleet - or it could be vehicles standing in for maintenance - or perhaps could be an extra for a busy day. Edited September 13, 2021 by Engineer Use of English 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nearholmer Posted September 13, 2021 Share Posted September 13, 2021 1 hour ago, Engineer said: Southend services, until the later years, tended to require three trains to cover the workings. Very likely the image shows the 'third' train, using more conventional stock from the LTSR/LMS fleet - or it could be vehicles standing in for maintenance - or perhaps could be an extra for a busy day. Good possibilities. I re-read the book about the S&M under miilitary control recently, and it was dim memory of the coach photos in that which prompted me to ask the question. I certainly wasn't aware that the service required more than the purpose-built corridor stock. Thanks. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
montyburns56 Posted September 14, 2021 Author Share Posted September 14, 2021 LMS 14414 at Thurso 1930 by John Law 9 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
montyburns56 Posted September 15, 2021 Author Share Posted September 15, 2021 Isn't that a Webb Coal Tank? 2-4-2T 343 Leicester by John Law 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nearholmer Posted September 15, 2021 Share Posted September 15, 2021 43 minutes ago, montyburns56 said: Isn't that a Webb Coal Tank? No. A coal tank is an 0-6-2T. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LMS2968 Posted September 15, 2021 Share Posted September 15, 2021 They look very similar unless you get a clear view of the wheels. The give-away here is the spring ahead of the tank. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nearholmer Posted September 15, 2021 Share Posted September 15, 2021 Oddly enough, I always go at it the other way round: if it has a splasher and sandbox at the front, its a coal tank; if not, a 2-4-2T. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold rodent279 Posted September 15, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 15, 2021 On 09/09/2021 at 20:04, LMS2968 said: I suggest it was a smoke lifting experiment. Similar and equally unsuccessful disfigurements were applied to the Royal Scots on the other side of the Pennines. Correct, at least according to O.S. Nock, is his volume on Gresley Pacifics. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold rodent279 Posted September 15, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 15, 2021 2 hours ago, Nearholmer said: No. A coal tank is an 0-6-2T. So what defines a Coal Tank? Surely more than just the wheel arrangement? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold rodent279 Posted September 15, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 15, 2021 On 08/09/2021 at 19:06, montyburns56 said: Ealing Broadway 1925 Would they have been working in multiple, or in tandem? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nearholmer Posted September 15, 2021 Share Posted September 15, 2021 (edited) The electrical kit on them was the same as on the contemporary EMUs, and they were used for a while on the Circle Line as singletons, with a set of trailers, the rear of which was a control trailer, so my surmise is that they had exactly the same MU equipment as the EMUs, and are here working in true MU. It had never crossed my mind that they might not be, until you asked. PS: They only had driving controls at one end of each loco, so a pair, back to back, really constituted a single entity. I think one was fitted with controls at both ends eventually. PPS: Now this goes into a lot of detail, and includes a cracking photo of a singleton hauling LTSR 6W stock! Unfortunately it isnt explicit about the MU kit, but by inference it supports my surmise above. https://www.lurs.org.uk/documents/pdf09/oct/district_electric_trains.pdf#:~:text=To work the LNWR trains%2C the District bought,for the passenger stock%2C was ordered from BT-H. Edited September 15, 2021 by Nearholmer 4 1 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Andy Kirkham Posted September 15, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted September 15, 2021 (edited) 2 hours ago, rodent279 said: So what defines a Coal Tank? Surely more than just the wheel arrangement? According to Wikipedia the name comes from being the tank version of the Webb 17 inch Coal Engine - an 0-6-0 tender engine known for hauling coal trains. And incidentally Wikipedia says of the 0-6-2 wheel arrangement: Under the Whyte notation for the classification of steam locomotives, 0-6-2 represents the wheel arrangement of no leading wheels, six powered and coupled driving wheels on three axles and two trailing wheels on one axle. The type is sometimes known as a Webb or a Branchliner. Hands up anyone who's ever heard either of those terms. Edited September 15, 2021 by Andy Kirkham 1 1 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Andy Kirkham Posted September 15, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted September 15, 2021 (edited) Another gem from John Law. A former Midand & South Western Junction 2-6-0 much rebuilt and working for the Cramlington Coal Co. [Edit] And there's its sister loco in original condition. Edited September 16, 2021 by Andy Kirkham 13 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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