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Do youtubers contribute positively to railway modelling?


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On 13/07/2021 at 15:20, AMJ said:

A comment was once said by Ivo Peters - let the trains do the moving not the camera.  This holds true for video as it did with film cameras as need to have them on a tripod.

 

Hadn't heard this quote till now, but looking at my own and others work, it rings very true. To add to that, let the sound tell the story too.

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On 15/07/2021 at 17:30, Coldgunner said:

 

Hadn't heard this quote till now, but looking at my own and others work, it rings very true. To add to that, let the sound tell the story too.

 

Unfortunately the cameras at the time didn't have sound.

 

Fortunately Ivo usually had Peter Handford (and Jack Newton) with him.

 

Not many people making railway films got an Oscar and a Bafta.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Handford

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I prefer prototype videos on YouTube.  I can watch 1980's trains in Scotland or North America all day and some of them can be inspiring and useful for modelling research even if you have to work out what the colours actually were from a rather faded uploaded old VHS...

 

YouTube in general though is a pain in the neck, to much commercial rubbish, adverts ad-infinitum (thank God for an armada of adblockers!!) and you do have to delve very deep to find the nuggets of treasure among the mountains of utter tosh.

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21 minutes ago, John M Upton said:

I prefer prototype videos on YouTube.  I can watch 1980's trains in Scotland or North America all day and some of them can be inspiring and useful for modelling research even if you have to work out what the colours actually were from a rather faded uploaded old VHS...

 

YouTube in general though is a pain in the neck, to much commercial rubbish, adverts ad-infinitum (thank God for an armada of adblockers!!) and you do have to delve very deep to find the nuggets of treasure among the mountains of utter tosh.

 

Yes, I find the old BFI and BR VHS's fascinating. Sadly, I am yet to find anything as absorbing and informative as the stuff uploaded from legacy media.

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29 minutes ago, John M Upton said:

(thank God for an armada of adblockers!!)

 

How do you feel about fare avoidance on the railways?

 

(It's placed as a moral rather than legal question.)

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On 13/07/2021 at 16:20, AMJ said:

A comment was once said by Ivo Peters - let the trains do the moving not the camera.  This holds true for video as it did with film cameras as need to have them on a tripod.

Important point. One of the trends of our time is vlogging, including 'run-and-gun' video. So you put your DSLR or mirrorless camera in a cage and add a carrying handle on top. Sigh. No amount of "Steady shot inside" from Sony or others will stop the content being unwatchable. 

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16 hours ago, John M Upton said:

 

 

YouTube in general though is a pain in the neck, to much commercial rubbish, adverts ad-infinitum (thank God for an armada of adblockers!!) and you do have to delve very deep to find the nuggets of treasure among the mountains of utter tosh.

 

That sums up the internet anyway - not just Youtube.

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I've watched what seems like millions of YouTube videos over the last 15 months, often while riding the exercise bike that dominates my living room (the family rule is that whoever's on the bike chooses what's on the TV, so it's been Les Mills, prototype WCML videos or old episodes of Bewitched,  depending on who's choosing).

 

I've found loads of interesting stuff. Most of the railway videos I've watched have been prototype ones - essentially just trainspotting from my living room. I've watched lots of aircraft and especially afv modelling sites, though; and it's really inspired me to try and improve my painting, in particular. I'm not good at painting, but I've got some junk models that I'm practicing on and I have hopes (not high hopes, at this stage, but hopes nevertheless) of emulating some of the  guys on YT.

 

I have seen one Sam's Trains video, courtesy of YT's autoplay. It was a fairly sober one - "my 10 best models of this year", rather than "how much will the Hornby class 39 haul if you fill the mechanism with squirty cream?" - and not really for me, I fear (not least because it's the wrong scale). That said, there's no denying his enthusiasm and there's clearly a lot of people who like what he does, so good luck to him. I don't see how he can possibly be harming the hobby at all. 

 

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3 hours ago, Jim Martin said:

I've watched what seems like millions of YouTube videos over the last 15 months, often while riding the exercise bike that dominates my living room (the family rule is that whoever's on the bike chooses what's on the TV, so it's been Les Mills, prototype WCML videos or old episodes of Bewitched,  depending on who's choosing).

 

I've found loads of interesting stuff. Most of the railway videos I've watched have been prototype ones - essentially just trainspotting from my living room. I've watched lots of aircraft and especially afv modelling sites, though; and it's really inspired me to try and improve my painting, in particular. I'm not good at painting, but I've got some junk models that I'm practicing on and I have hopes (not high hopes, at this stage, but hopes nevertheless) of emulating some of the  guys on YT.

 

I have seen one Sam's Trains video, courtesy of YT's autoplay. It was a fairly sober one - "my 10 best models of this year", rather than "how much will the Hornby class 39 haul if you fill the mechanism with squirty cream?" - and not really for me, I fear (not least because it's the wrong scale). That said, there's no denying his enthusiasm and there's clearly a lot of people who like what he does, so good luck to him. I don't see how he can possibly be harming the hobby at all. 

 

Jim

How many watch to be iritated in his vids/views/syle....or watch to think is this for real! Is it a wind up...abit like brass eye was on tv....you know its wrong...but you keep watching to see how it pans out....normaly predictably....one Hornby 48ds and 50 wagons...you know you love it...and let's be honest...his loft is tidy and well organised! Content getting a bit more controversial/manufacturing shaming!..

But there's the off button so can't slag the chap off...

YouTube full of narcissistic type people....got a smart phone got 5mins of fame....?

Disclaimer! I have 3vids on from 11 years ago, all of my pooch.

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On 19/07/2021 at 18:06, AY Mod said:

 

How do you feel about fare avoidance on the railways?

 

(It's placed as a moral rather than legal 

 

As well as always paying the full fare, like everyone who enjoys youtube, I insist on watching the entire advert about making money from an "online start-up" and following "3 simple rules to become a success". In the same way I don't allow channel hopping when watching itv...or Quest!

 

I often cause chaos on the tube as I walk backwards on escalators to take in all of the advert posters. I also get some rather irrate drivers when I slow on the M62 near Birmingham to read the massive electonic billboard. 

 

Still, as I shout from my car over the din of blaring horns "shame on you all, Sam's trains gotta pay the bills!!"

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Sticking my size 13 foot up the backside of the elephant sitting in the corner of the room...if you find the 'Choob full of things/people/stuff you don't like/consider self absorbed/utterly useless, there is a very simple remedy.

Don't log on.

 

I detest football and all it stands for.  So, I don't watch it.  Never have done.  However, I wouldn't begrudge those who do watch it their pleasure so long as they keep the Donald Duck out of my face and don't interfere with my life through their pleasure.  Similarly, those of us who do enjoy some of YouTube's output aren't holding a gun to your head forcing you to watch Sam's Trains or A Narcissist Unboxes Thomas.  If the 'Choob is so ghastly for you, use the time for something else.  Simples.

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1 hour ago, wombatofludham said:

Sticking my size 13 foot up the backside of the elephant sitting in the corner of the room...if you find the 'Choob full of things/people/stuff you don't like/consider self absorbed/utterly useless, there is a very simple remedy.

Don't log on.

 

I detest football and all it stands for.  So, I don't watch it.  Never have done.  However, I wouldn't begrudge those who do watch it their pleasure so long as they keep the Donald Duck out of my face and don't interfere with my life through their pleasure.  Similarly, those of us who do enjoy some of YouTube's output aren't holding a gun to your head forcing you to watch Sam's Trains or A Narcissist Unboxes Thomas.  If the 'Choob is so ghastly for you, use the time for something else.  Simples.

 

I would be very surprised if criticism here of a global video platform and it's content should upset the enjoyment of others watching "the choob". It is perfectly legitimate to ask questions of the format and content and to be critical of things one does not agree with or like. 

 

On YT, I enjoy seeing trains moving but the engagement level is limited. Some workbench footage is drawn out to the point of tedium and watching some "builds" can become reminscent of watching you've been framed i.e. watching someone weild a stanley knife becomes like watching a child on a swing who is inevitably going to fall off and hurt themselves. 

 

Youtube in general, like facebook, twitter and tiktok seems a huge drain on time, designed to hold attention long enough to flog something or distract from reality and poses as something inspirational when in fact the creators of it are unlikely to let their kids use it. Also, the attention levels required of model railways I believe to be erroded by the format of youtube, making it harder to become absorbed in a task (my thoughts, likely to be of no scientific validity). 

 

It is most damaging to children in my opinion in terms of passive screen time, their expectations for their lives (when I grow up I want to be a youtuber) and their understanding of the difference between consumption and creativity. These are my views and I acknowledge that I am in a minority.

 

It seems that the greater outrage comes from those who are strangely hurt by criticism of something they had no hand in. I don't ultimately care if anyone watches modelling youtubers or not. The whole thing could disappear tomorrow  (which it most certainly won't regradless of my criticism) but to say it is to begrudge others is as off target as calling criticism of the rich "envy politics". I just want to voice the worry that youtube is corrosive, promoting passive visual consumption over active involvement in the hobby.

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4 hours ago, westernviscount said:

 I also get some rather irrate drivers when I slow on the M62 near Birmingham...

I should imagine they are amazed rather than irate - to get anywhere near Birmingham on the M62 you must be some kind of miracle worker... :rolleyes:  :tease:  :jester:

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You tube is similar to this forum. There are some useful items, some wonderful items and some rubbish items. And just like this forum you can have a quick look and decide to look further or to go elsewhere 

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17 minutes ago, F-UnitMad said:

I should imagine they are amazed rather than irate - to get anywhere near Birmingham on the M62 you must be some kind of miracle worker... :rolleyes:  :tease:  :jester:

 

Ha ha, I think even if I correct myself to M6 it could still be said getting near Birmingham is a miracle depending on time of day ;-)

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3 minutes ago, westernviscount said:

 

Ha ha, I think even if I correct myself to M6 it could still be said getting near Birmingham is a miracle depending on time of day ;-)

Yep, true enough. ;)

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3 hours ago, westernviscount said:

 

Ha ha, I think even if I correct myself to M6 it could still be said getting near Birmingham is a miracle depending on time of day ;-)

You could try the M42. You can't get very far from Birmingham on that.

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30 minutes ago, DK123GWR said:

You could try the M42. You can't get very far from Birmingham on that.

 

One good reason not to use it then.......

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25 minutes ago, JohnR said:

Very interesting couple of videos from Sams trains on 3D printing. 

I actually think those videos are a good illustration of one of the advantages of YouTube. Obviously 3D printing has been a tool in the modellers' arsenal (hello mixed metaphor) for some years now. For me, not a technological person, it's always been a bit intimidating. Sure, lots of people say it's easy, but I don't know what they mean by that - they could be very tech-savvy. Sam's videos on the subject clearly illustrate how you go about designing and printing a bit of rolling stock, the advantages and disadvantages for a beginner, and he shows the end product and its use in a model railway context. As a result, I'm now thinking quite seriously of investing in a 3D printer.

 

Other videos convinced me to try my hand at scratch building. Again, by showing rather than telling. I tend to be a fairly concrete thinker, so if someone can show me what to do, I can pick that information up more easily than if someone tells me.

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Like many people I spend too long on YT.

There are good & bad clips, but the most interesting lately (to me) have been watching clips on tree making.

 

However, the one thing I dislike are YT'ers that are sponsored & don't make it clear that they are indeed sponsored/supported. I don't have a problem with that at all, but it should be quite clear so that the viewer can make their own mind up about the impatiality of any reviews.

 

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On 25/07/2021 at 11:05, SamThomas said:

Like many people I spend too long on YT.

There are good & bad clips, but the most interesting lately (to me) have been watching clips on tree making.

 

However, the one thing I dislike are YT'ers that are sponsored & don't make it clear that they are indeed sponsored/supported. I don't have a problem with that at all, but it should be quite clear so that the viewer can make their own mind up about the impatiality of any reviews.

 

That's quite naughty of them. If your video is sponsored, you are supposed to click a little box which causes a banner to appear at the start of the video, announcing that the video is sponsored.

 

(I do sponsored videos and I find it a bit redundant for my videos, since my sponsor insists that I mention them at the very beginning)

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This rather atypical Sam's Trains video made me think of this thread. While it might encourage some people to go off and research the power classifications in more detail, Sam clearly doesn't understand it himself - and the video would have been dramatically improved if he'd spent ten minutes on Wikipedia during his research. At around 14:00 for instance, he wonders aloud why his streamlined (LMS era) Coronations had a lower power classification than his unstreamlined (BR era) ones. It would take less than two minutes on Wikipedia (or any number of other sources) to find out about the 1951 reclassification of 5XP locomotives to 6P, with the knock-on impact for higher classes.

 

In other words, a while it is a positive contribution in terms of provoking thoughts, it's also a missed opportunity for education.

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4 hours ago, DK123GWR said:

 

This rather atypical Sam's Trains video made me think of this thread. While it might encourage some people to go off and research the power classifications in more detail, Sam clearly doesn't understand it himself - and the video would have been dramatically improved if he'd spent ten minutes on Wikipedia during his research. At around 14:00 for instance, he wonders aloud why his streamlined (LMS era) Coronations had a lower power classification than his unstreamlined (BR era) ones. It would take less than two minutes on Wikipedia (or any number of other sources) to find out about the 1951 reclassification of 5XP locomotives to 6P, with the knock-on impact for higher classes.

 

In other words, a while it is a positive contribution in terms of provoking thoughts, it's also a missed opportunity for education.

Me thinks the rush to push out content that may be detrimental to the facts....or lack of understanding of the facts

 

Just coz you see it on YouTube tippy tippy don't make it right...

Don't forget the off button

 

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I think the push to get "content" out has certainly trumped the necessity for accuracy and quality in the example above. But It seems this is fine for most consumers of this stuff as far as views, likes and subs go on the channels and the apparent displeasure any criticism of the content raises on this thread. Individual acheivement and entrepreneurship must be defended regardless of quality as we know! 

 

Yes there is an off button, but there are also multiple buttons to enable valid criticism to be raised when "content" is poor, misleading, banal, completely wrong. 

 

Off buttons are for the harmless hobbyist vids fair enough. People earning a living (wow thats a thing) from this phenomena? Well that deserves critique. 

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