Fat Controller Posted June 15, 2021 Share Posted June 15, 2021 13 hours ago, Pacific231G said: Early electrics can have a charm of their own but I don't think this beast from the 1930s could ever be accused of a modern image, not even by 1930s ideas of modernism. It has a certain baroque charm.. I remember a later version of the design on the PLM main line when I first went to France in 1976. These later ones were nick-named 'Waterman', not after the UK pop mogul and rail enthusiast, but the very stylish pen. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
47449xeCD Posted June 15, 2021 Share Posted June 15, 2021 16 hours ago, rodent279 said: Where did the name Syphon come from, for class 37's? Tractors and Growlers I get, those names do sort of describe the sound, but Syphon? Nosepeds or Welsh Deltics round my way. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyID Posted June 15, 2021 Share Posted June 15, 2021 17 hours ago, Pacific231G said: Early electrics can have a charm of their own but I don't think this beast from the 1930s could ever be accused of a modern image, not even by 1930s ideas of modernism. Maybe that's where Fell got his inspiration. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyID Posted June 15, 2021 Share Posted June 15, 2021 (edited) Tortured English grammar, as in "The solution was requiring a larger boiler" instead of "The solution required a larger boiler" (Exits stage left PDQ ) Edit: Come to that the required isn't even required. "The solution was a larger boiler" Edited June 15, 2021 by AndyID More info 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium corneliuslundie Posted June 15, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted June 15, 2021 Too often we hear statements like "xxx was reduced by 500%" whatever that might be intended to mean. Jonathan Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Compound2632 Posted June 15, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted June 15, 2021 (edited) 8 minutes ago, corneliuslundie said: Too often we hear statements like "xxx was reduced by 500%" whatever that might be intended to mean. It means that, for example, my £100 bank balance has been reduced by 500 parts in 100, i.e. by £500, so I am now overdrawn by £400. It certainly can't bean reduced to one fifth of the initial value, which might be what the speaker or writer was attempting to convey. That would be a reduction of 80%. Likewise, a 500% increase is not an increase to five times the initial value but to six times. My £100 balance has been increased by 500 parts in 100, i.e. by £500. Edited June 15, 2021 by Compound2632 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyID Posted June 15, 2021 Share Posted June 15, 2021 If A is 20% greater than B why isn't B 20% smaller than A? 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium corneliuslundie Posted June 15, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted June 15, 2021 (edited) Say A = 10. Then A + 20% = 12. 20% of B is then 12/5. So 20% less than B is 60/5 - 12/5 = 48/5. OK? Jonathan Edited June 15, 2021 by corneliuslundie typo 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wickham Green too Posted June 15, 2021 Share Posted June 15, 2021 1 hour ago, corneliuslundie said: Too often we hear statements like "xxx was reduced by 500%" whatever that might be intended to mean. Jonathan .... or 'five times less than' ......... AAARGH ! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyID Posted June 15, 2021 Share Posted June 15, 2021 1 hour ago, corneliuslundie said: Say A = 10. Then A + 20% = 12. 20% of B is then 12/5. So 20% less than B is 60/5 - 12/5 = 48/5. OK? Jonathan If A is 10, B is 8.33 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium corneliuslundie Posted June 15, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted June 15, 2021 Sorry I screwed up, getting my A and B mixed up at the start. Say B is 10 then A is 10 + 20% = 12. Then 80% of A is 80% or 4/5ths of 12, so (4 x 12)/5 = 9.6. You can tell I have a maths degree!!! (hardly used for half a century though). I'd better stick to teaching English. Mind you I don't remember ever doing any adding, subtracting etc during my degree. I was all far too arcane. But yes, you are right in that the process doesn't then work the same in reverse. Definitely time for some modelling. Jonathan Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianusa Posted June 15, 2021 Share Posted June 15, 2021 On 14/06/2021 at 12:57, Dagworth said: And Crabs, Mickey Mouse Tanks etc. for steam locos?? Andi Pre anorak names are OK Brian. 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
45125 Posted June 15, 2021 Share Posted June 15, 2021 The use of the term sealed beam headlight to describe the Wipac hair raiser headlamps. These lamps have a renewable halogen lamp, a sealed beam you sling the whole thing away lamp, reflector lens......... 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Artless Bodger Posted June 15, 2021 Share Posted June 15, 2021 11 hours ago, Fat Controller said: It has a certain baroque charm.. I remember a later version of the design on the PLM main line when I first went to France in 1976. These later ones were nick-named 'Waterman', not after the UK pop mogul and rail enthusiast, but the very stylish pen. Was it not that the shape of the bonnet resembled a Waterman ink bottle? Certainly one variant has that facetted / rounded combination. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium St Enodoc Posted June 16, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted June 16, 2021 16 hours ago, Rugd1022 said: usually refer to them as 'four and a halfs'. Toton too. Probably an LMR thing. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Oldddudders Posted June 16, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted June 16, 2021 59 minutes ago, St Enodoc said: Toton too. Probably an LMR thing. I had heard that term in my Croydon Control days in the early 70s, probably from the South Eastern Area 1 Controller, Brian, who was - hopefully is! - from well north of Potters Bar. He went on to be DCC, and has since authored a book or two. ISTR one of his neighbours was R.C.Riley. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold rodent279 Posted June 16, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted June 16, 2021 12 hours ago, AndyID said: If A is 20% greater than B why isn't B 20% smaller than A? I guess it's all down to 20% of what? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wickham Green too Posted June 16, 2021 Share Posted June 16, 2021 2 hours ago, rodent279 said: I guess it's all down to 20% of what? The number you first thought of .............. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SamThomas Posted June 16, 2021 Share Posted June 16, 2021 On 14/06/2021 at 20:40, brianusa said: Anorak names like 'gronk' or 'hoover' to label diesel locomotives Brian. TBH I do like some nicknames ' "Gronk" in particular - I like the 08's & personally I think the name suits them, also "sheds" for 66's another diesel I like & again, I think the name suits them. Far better than "Slugs" for the OHE's pictured. BTW, anyone know how the 08's got their nickname ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Compound2632 Posted June 16, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted June 16, 2021 15 hours ago, AndyID said: If A is 20% greater than B why isn't B 20% smaller than A? Because 6/5 (= 1.2) is not equal to 1/(4/5) (=1.25). 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SamThomas Posted June 16, 2021 Share Posted June 16, 2021 10 hours ago, 45125 said: The use of the term sealed beam headlight to describe the Wipac hair raiser headlamps. These lamps have a renewable halogen lamp, a sealed beam you sling the whole thing away lamp, reflector lens......... As the thread has set off onto an automotive tangent the term "wing mirrors". Mirrors have not been fitted to the wings of cars for many decades. Of course, if you have a present day Ford you now have a "hood", "trunk", lug wrench" & have "tires" according to the drivers handbook. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold rodent279 Posted June 16, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted June 16, 2021 2 hours ago, SamThomas said: As the thread has set off onto an automotive tangent the term "wing mirrors". Mirrors have not been fitted to the wings of cars for many decades. Of course, if you have a present day Ford you now have a "hood", "trunk", lug wrench" & have "tires" according to the drivers handbook. And while we're on the subject of cars-owners who call their cars "she", "her", or in some other way try to ascribe gender, feelings and personalities to their cars. No. No, no and no again. Cars (and trains, aircraft, boats etc) are inanimate objects. They do not have feelings, thoughts or personalities, and are gender neutral. They are pieces of metal etc, joined together to perform a function. They may exhibit quirks, nuances and differences, and no two may be exactly alike-but no two stones on a beach are alike either, and we don't try to give then personalities. Once again, no. 2 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Compound2632 Posted June 16, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted June 16, 2021 Strapping for wagon ironwork. A strapping lass is not a wagonworks employee. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium New Haven Neil Posted June 16, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted June 16, 2021 3 hours ago, SamThomas said: TBH I do like some nicknames ' "Gronk" in particular - I like the 08's & personally I think the name suits them, also "sheds" for 66's another diesel I like & again, I think the name suits them. Far better than "Slugs" for the OHE's pictured. BTW, anyone know how the 08's got their nickname ? My wife, on my 50th birthday 'train-treat' tour of Switzerland, (eek 12 years ago) didn't like these locos at all, and named them 'Wine Gums' due to the shape. Seems fair to me. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Reorte Posted June 16, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted June 16, 2021 How about people who call 67s "skips"? Looks like it might be appropriate - a few years ago I took the sleeper up to Fort William, where I was meeting up with my parents. My mum said when she saw the train coming she thought it was a bin lorry at first. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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