Craigw Posted June 13, 2021 Share Posted June 13, 2021 A while back i purchased a 4mm scale C30 and C18 etch from CPL. The C30 has me a little confused, According to Russell, the C30 was a 56' coach with numbers 2422-2435. The issue is that they appear to be panelled and the few photos in appendix Volume 1 of 2425 and 2429 show vestiges of the panelling with 2429 having toplights plated over. As you can see from the photo of the etch, this is a flush sided coach. The etch does measure up as 56' and has the window arrangement of a C30. Any thoughts? Regards, Craig W Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Enterprisingwestern Posted June 13, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted June 13, 2021 With the proviso that I know diddly squat about GWR coaches, a perusal of the CPL website shows that C18 and C30 coaches seem to have duplicated product numbers with other coaches, might it be that you have the incorrect version although it's the correct item number? Mike. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brassey Posted June 13, 2021 Share Posted June 13, 2021 Is the paneling achieved by an overlay that's missing? The fret appears to be labelled correctly as C30. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium corneliuslundie Posted June 13, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted June 13, 2021 Or is it meant to represent a C30 in a late condition with the panelling plated over? Mind you, I don't know if they ever did get all the panelling plated. Jonathan Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach bogie Posted June 13, 2021 Share Posted June 13, 2021 (edited) It looks like a C32 to me though it should be 56' 11". Is the diagram number not etched on the edge of the etch? Usually it has small print dia ??? CPL Products. then a the film reference number. Mike Wiltshire https://www.warwickshirerailways.com/gwr/gwrt3032.htm edit The image is not clear enough to read but diagram number is etched just below the corridor wall. Edited June 13, 2021 by Coach bogie Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Enterprisingwestern Posted June 13, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted June 13, 2021 5 hours ago, Coach bogie said: It looks like a C32 to me though it should be 56' 11". Is the diagram number not etched on the edge of the etch? Usually it has small print dia ??? CPL Products. then a the film reference number. Mike Wiltshire https://www.warwickshirerailways.com/gwr/gwrt3032.htm edit The image is not clear enough to read but diagram number is etched just below the corridor wall. The C30 and C32 have the same reference number on the CPL site. Mike. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach bogie Posted June 13, 2021 Share Posted June 13, 2021 1 hour ago, Enterprisingwestern said: The C30 and C32 have the same reference number on the CPL site. Mike. There is a diagram number etched just below the corridor wall. on the etch shown in the image but I cannot read it on screen Mike Wiltshire Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brassey Posted June 13, 2021 Share Posted June 13, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, Coach bogie said: There is a diagram number etched just below the corridor wall. on the etch shown in the image but I cannot read it on screen Mike Wiltshire As I previously stated, it reads C30 (just below the large bolections) Edited June 13, 2021 by Brassey Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craigw Posted June 13, 2021 Author Share Posted June 13, 2021 (edited) Dimensionally, it is definitely a C30. I measured it at 56' and funnily enough it is 1 scale foot shorter than the side of my David Geen C32! I have only ever seen the photos in Russell and they certainly do not show a C30 in this condition. I noticed the numbers on the lists on the CPL site, but this is a 56' coach. Were any of the C30 used in war service? It stands to reason that they could have been rebuilt to be steel sided bodies as was done after WW1 with Ambulance stock. regards, Puzzled from Australia. Edited June 14, 2021 by Craigw Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brassey Posted June 14, 2021 Share Posted June 14, 2021 (edited) Craig, It is described as "C30 - Panelled third" on the website with an illustration showing panelling. The lack of the panelling suggests there could be an error with the etch which is not unheard of. But on the other hand, in the "gallery" section of the website, there are pictures of toplights devoid of panelling. Did you buy it recently? Peter Edited June 14, 2021 by Brassey Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craigw Posted June 14, 2021 Author Share Posted June 14, 2021 52 minutes ago, Brassey said: Craig, I Did you buy it recently? Peter Peter I purchased it about two years ago. This means that in reality it could be longer. But it was certainly after Paul took over CPL. I must admit, I find the etches very tempting. I just wish they did more in 4mm scale. Regards, Craig Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach bogie Posted June 14, 2021 Share Posted June 14, 2021 12 hours ago, Brassey said: As I previously stated, it reads C30 (just below the large bolections) Understood. I am back home now and have my resources to hand. C30 were all built with panels. As far as I am aware they did not go for ambulance duty which would have explained the steel body. Further evidence - preserved 2434 still has many of the panels. Something amiss at CPL here. Mike Wiltshire Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craigw Posted June 14, 2021 Author Share Posted June 14, 2021 7 minutes ago, Coach bogie said: Understood. I am back home now and have my resources to hand. C30 were all built with panels. As far as I am aware they did not go for ambulance duty which would have explained the steel body. Further evidence - preserved 2434 still has many of the panels. Something amiss at CPL here. Mike Wiltshire Mike, That was my nagging feeling when I looked at it. I put it away for a while but the nagging continued hence asking. The artwork has a 2002 date on it, so I am not sure who would have drawn it (Carl Legg?) Regards, Craig W Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulwell Hall Posted June 22, 2021 Share Posted June 22, 2021 It would definitely have been drawn by Carl Legg in 2002 Craig. I'm unable to shed any light on it though and sadly Carl is no longer available to be asked! Gerry 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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