RMweb Gold Revolution Mike Posted June 14, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted June 14, 2021 24 minutes ago, The Ghost of IKB said: Cant understand why people expect a 56 to follow. Despite the real world link, in model form these are very diffrrent beasts, cabs, roof, underframe tanks and body sides all very different. Only the bogie sides are common and the internals. Because if you’ve tooled the chassis then that goes a long way to allowing you to split the tooling costs across 2 models. 1 7 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold TomE Posted June 14, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted June 14, 2021 Great news, especially that they are doing it in both scales rather than just 00. Hopefully they will design it so a 56 can follow on later. Tom. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomScrut Posted June 14, 2021 Share Posted June 14, 2021 1 hour ago, The Ghost of IKB said: Cant understand why people expect a 56 to follow. Despite the real world link, in model form these are very diffrrent beasts, cabs, roof, underframe tanks and body sides all very different. Only the bogie sides are common and the internals. Optimism from those not interested in something that is from 2021 onwards. I am pleased with this announcement, it will be interesting to see how it progresses and what the default livery for these will be. I will be following with a view to having one at some point. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave56 Posted June 14, 2021 Share Posted June 14, 2021 This one will definitely find its way onto my layout. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium newbryford Posted June 14, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted June 14, 2021 (edited) A nice surprise that Hornby aren't doing it. They'd get the shade of blue wrong........ Edited June 14, 2021 by newbryford typo 6 8 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkersson Posted June 14, 2021 Share Posted June 14, 2021 Really good to see another model being produced, shows the strength of the market! 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big James Posted June 14, 2021 Share Posted June 14, 2021 Not my era, but it’s always nice to see a new locomotive announced. It’s a sign of a strong hobby. big James 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
frobisher Posted June 14, 2021 Share Posted June 14, 2021 8 minutes ago, newbryford said: A nice surprisre that Hornby aren't doing it. They'd get the shade of blue wrong........ I'm wondering if this announcement might have been moved up because someone else was sniffing around the license only to discover Bachmann had beaten them to an exclusive deal... 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig1989 Posted June 14, 2021 Share Posted June 14, 2021 Wonder who will be first to do sound for these? Plus il be getting one Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium newbryford Posted June 14, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted June 14, 2021 5 minutes ago, Craig1989 said: Wonder who will be first to do sound for these? Plus il be getting one Sounds like a 66..... 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomScrut Posted June 14, 2021 Share Posted June 14, 2021 33 minutes ago, newbryford said: A nice surprise that Hornby aren't doing it. They'd get the shade of blue wrong........ Hornby do look to have gotten that right now. I think it was the samples of "Pride of GBRF" that looked to be the right colour. So they might sell me a 60095 if that is the same. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steadfast Posted June 14, 2021 Share Posted June 14, 2021 Hopefully Bachmann have noted that the class 69s contain donor locos with both cast and fabricated cabs. 69001 is cast, 002 fabricated. Not my cup of tea, but I'm hoping it may lead to a decent 56 in N, because what we have at the moment is overwidth, an odd shape and a mix of details of different variants. I'd have a few of those! Jo 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium HillsideDepot Posted June 14, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted June 14, 2021 32 minutes ago, frobisher said: I'm wondering if this announcement might have been moved up because someone else was sniffing around the license only to discover Bachmann had beaten them to an exclusive deal... I'd have thought that it was much more likely to have been planned to coincide with the unveiling of 69001 in full livery by GBRf today. Bachmann were very slick at getting the word out (or embargoed until) just after the GBRf reveal of the real thing. Impressive stuff by the communications team. 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
woodenhead Posted June 14, 2021 Share Posted June 14, 2021 Bachmann clearly are mates with GBRF - don't forget the Farish 60 is coming and GBRF named one Graham Farish, so likely this deal has been in the bag for some time. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium phil-b259 Posted June 15, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted June 15, 2021 11 hours ago, red death said: Because if you’ve tooled the chassis then that goes a long way to allowing you to split the tooling costs across 2 models. Not So! The biggest cost in model railways is the hours of design work to capture the accrete external appearance down to the last rivet plus subsequent Assembly and decoration of said external surfaces. The chassis block is in fact the easiest (and cheapest) bit of the loco to produce. Think about it - in terms of the chassis or mechanics there is not a massive amount of difference between a 37 or a 69 apart form the dimensions - a designer can simply tweak the length of drive shafts, shorten / extended the body casting, etc with relatively little effort. By contrast you cannot 'tweak' a class 37 bogie sideframe to look like a 69 one - it has to be a brand new design. As such being able to 'reuse a Chassis block' is probably only going to save you around 10% of the cost of developing a new model. 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shoey Posted June 15, 2021 Share Posted June 15, 2021 Just wondering if these will have a gloss finish? I’m not usually a fan of gloss on models but think these may look rather nice if the detail and finish is there... 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MGR Hooper! Posted June 15, 2021 Share Posted June 15, 2021 I'll have one in N gauge!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MGR Hooper! Posted June 15, 2021 Share Posted June 15, 2021 12 hours ago, Walkes07 said: Obviously u don’t know how to have laugh Andy lol * sarcasm mode on * Nope, you have to choose the correct brand to joke about here. You can joke about delays and wrong fonts when it comes to Dapol and similarly you can joke about colour choices and duplication with Hornby. But just don't joke about Bachmann. Otherwise you will get pulled up for wasting one line of space on a forum. * sarcasm mode off * 9 3 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators AY Mod Posted June 15, 2021 Author Moderators Share Posted June 15, 2021 50 minutes ago, MGR Hooper! said: But just don't joke about Bachmann. I don't think much of your dig at all - you fail to understand my point of view about exaggerated delay jokes just not being funny. They're predictable, boring and a waste of space. You've just made yourself look daft. 7 8 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LaGrange Posted June 15, 2021 Share Posted June 15, 2021 2 hours ago, phil-b259 said: Not So! The biggest cost in model railways is the hours of design work to capture the accrete external appearance down to the last rivet plus subsequent Assembly and decoration of said external surfaces. The chassis block is in fact the easiest (and cheapest) bit of the loco to produce. Think about it - in terms of the chassis or mechanics there is not a massive amount of difference between a 37 or a 69 apart form the dimensions - a designer can simply tweak the length of drive shafts, shorten / extended the body casting, etc with relatively little effort. By contrast you cannot 'tweak' a class 37 bogie sideframe to look like a 69 one - it has to be a brand new design. As such being able to 'reuse a Chassis block' is probably only going to save you around 10% of the cost of developing a new model. You obviously are unaware of who Mr R Death is........ 1 14 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
richscylla Posted June 15, 2021 Share Posted June 15, 2021 6 minutes ago, LaGrange said: You obviously are unaware of who Mr R Death is........ Either that or they are one of the growing number of people who think their opinion is equally as valid as an expert because all opinions are equal... 4 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LaGrange Posted June 15, 2021 Share Posted June 15, 2021 1 minute ago, richscylla said: Either that or they are one of the growing number of people who think their opinion is equally as valid as an expert because all opinions are equal... All opinions are equal, except some are more equal than others judging by how much you type and not what you say..... 1 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Revolution Mike Posted June 15, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted June 15, 2021 2 hours ago, phil-b259 said: Not So! The biggest cost in model railways is the hours of design work to capture the accrete external appearance down to the last rivet plus subsequent Assembly and decoration of said external surfaces. The chassis block is in fact the easiest (and cheapest) bit of the loco to produce. Think about it - in terms of the chassis or mechanics there is not a massive amount of difference between a 37 or a 69 apart form the dimensions - a designer can simply tweak the length of drive shafts, shorten / extended the body casting, etc with relatively little effort. By contrast you cannot 'tweak' a class 37 bogie sideframe to look like a 69 one - it has to be a brand new design. As such being able to 'reuse a Chassis block' is probably only going to save you around 10% of the cost of developing a new model. Thanks for the reply but I’m well aware of the costs of design vs tooling vs assembly. More to the point I didn’t say that tooling a chassis was the most expensive part (though tooling still represents a very significant cost) but that the cost of tooling a chassis that could be used across two locos was beneficial as the cost could be shared. I’m not sure why you are comparing a 37 to the 69 as that is irrelevant - the key point is that the chassis for a 56 and 69 is identical because of the origin of the 69! You can use exactly the same chassis. 10 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crisis Rail Posted June 15, 2021 Share Posted June 15, 2021 (edited) 15 hours ago, AY Mod said: Oh haha. Not in the mood for worn-out tropes taking up screen space. He has a point - maybe exhibitions might be back on then too? Edited June 15, 2021 by Crisis Rail Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MGR Hooper! Posted June 15, 2021 Share Posted June 15, 2021 1 hour ago, AY Mod said: I don't think much of your dig at all - you fail to understand my point of view about exaggerated delay jokes just not being funny. They're predictable, boring and a waste of space. You've just made yourself look daft. Ahha so you don't like sarcasm and jokes. Duly noted. I shall move it over to the Dapol and Hornby threads where old, monotonous, exaggerated and delayed jokes are still acceptable as they don't seem to be boring or a waste of space in certain sub-forums of rmweb. Ciao! 5 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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