RJS1977 Posted June 17, 2021 Share Posted June 17, 2021 2 hours ago, Bomag said: Perhaps they should have cut the corner at Norton Bridge Then they'd have been penalised for exceeding track limits ;-) 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
caradoc Posted June 17, 2021 Share Posted June 17, 2021 The BBC News website, to no surprise at all (on my part anyway) is putting a negative slant to today's run: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-57511346 Saying, among other things, 'The recorded attempt was supposed to show the ease of travelling between the home nations'. And they go on to quote an average Edinburgh to London journey time of 5 hours 20 minutes, which is complete nonsense; LNER services take between around 4 hours 20 and 4 hours 40 minutes, depending on stops. Perhaps they are thinking of the Avanti 2-hourly Edinburgh/London via Birmingham services, not in any way the primary route between the cities. The BBC does have history for this kind of thing of course, for example quoting outrageous season ticket prices but omitting to say they were First Class. 3 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
6892 Oakhill Grange Posted June 17, 2021 Share Posted June 17, 2021 1 hour ago, caradoc said: The BBC News website, to no surprise at all (on my part anyway) is putting a negative slant to today's run: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-57511346 Saying, among other things, 'The recorded attempt was supposed to show the ease of travelling between the home nations'. And they go on to quote an average Edinburgh to London journey time of 5 hours 20 minutes, which is complete nonsense; LNER services take between around 4 hours 20 and 4 hours 40 minutes, depending on stops. Perhaps they are thinking of the Avanti 2-hourly Edinburgh/London via Birmingham services, not in any way the primary route between the cities. The BBC does have history for this kind of thing of course, for example quoting outrageous season ticket prices but omitting to say they were First Class. That’s journalists for you. This would have made a great good news, defeat plucked from the jaws of victory, we’re not defeated and we’ll be back next week story. But it that probably wouldn’t sell the papers or modern equivalent. Oakhill 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Kris Posted June 17, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted June 17, 2021 2 hours ago, caradoc said: Saying, among other things, 'The recorded attempt was supposed to show the ease of travelling between the home nations'. And they go on to quote an average Edinburgh to London journey time of 5 hours 20 minutes, which is complete nonsense The BBC do say that the figures are from Network Rail. To me this suggests that someone in the press department there, is doing rail travel a disservice. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold russ p Posted June 17, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted June 17, 2021 Commiserations to all involved as I'm sure they are probably feeling a bit down, but on the other hand it's nice to think something that was designed and built in this country still actually holds a record 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Phil Parker Posted June 17, 2021 Administrators Share Posted June 17, 2021 16 minutes ago, 6892 Oakhill Grange said: But it that probably wouldn’t sell the papers or modern equivalent. The day people actually want to read good news, things will change. However, we are conditioned to click on, or pay for bad news due to millions of years of evolution. That might explain why, on a popular model railway forum, it's the highly critical or controversial topics that attract the most traffic. 1 2 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Popular Post Oldddudders Posted June 17, 2021 RMweb Gold Popular Post Share Posted June 17, 2021 Sorry to be parochial, but, sitting on la terrasse of my tumbledown cottage in rural France, I got a real thrill from sharing the Pendolino experience today with so many others on RMweb. It was fun! 25 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
6892 Oakhill Grange Posted June 17, 2021 Share Posted June 17, 2021 15 minutes ago, Oldddudders said: Sorry to be parochial, but, sitting on la terrasse of my tumbledown cottage in rural France, I got a real thrill from sharing the Pendolino experience today with so many others on RMweb. It was fun! Next Thursday will be even more exciting. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Oldddudders Posted June 17, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted June 17, 2021 6 minutes ago, 6892 Oakhill Grange said: Next Thursday will be even more exciting. That's what the last girl said! 1 10 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hexagon789 Posted June 17, 2021 Share Posted June 17, 2021 31 minutes ago, 6892 Oakhill Grange said: Next Thursday will be even more exciting. Unfortunately not. The path next Thursday was simply if today's run had to be cancelled for an unforeseen reason, it's not a second attempt. Avanti have said they will consider trying again next summer if the situation permits. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
caradoc Posted June 17, 2021 Share Posted June 17, 2021 1 hour ago, Kris said: The BBC do say that the figures are from Network Rail. To me this suggests that someone in the press department there, is doing rail travel a disservice. Thanks, I hadn't noticed that earlier (it actually says National Rail !). In which case, apologies to the BBC. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RJS1977 Posted June 17, 2021 Share Posted June 17, 2021 16 minutes ago, caradoc said: Thanks, I hadn't noticed that earlier (it actually says National Rail !). In which case, apologies to the BBC. In that case it sounds as if the BBC searched on the National Rail Journey Planner for a journey from London to Glasgow, then used the longest one they could find! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold TheSignalEngineer Posted June 17, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted June 17, 2021 51 minutes ago, RJS1977 said: In that case it sounds as if the BBC searched on the National Rail Journey Planner for a journey from London to Glasgow, then used the longest one they could find! It says on the BBC report 'average journey times' so they probably included the Sleeper and some circuitous journeys that include going via York and Manchester. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete the Elaner Posted June 17, 2021 Share Posted June 17, 2021 46 minutes ago, TheSignalEngineer said: It says on the BBC report 'average journey times' so they probably included the Sleeper and some circuitous journeys that include going via York and Manchester. There are 3 types of averages: mean, mode & median. Mean is what we normally accept to be the average: the sum of all examples divided by the number of examples. Mode is the most common. Median is the middle of all. If you want a good example of timings, median is best. It is very easy to quote the wrong 'average' if you want to be misleading. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Revolution Ben Posted June 18, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted June 18, 2021 Hi all, Shame they didn't make it! Is it definite that there won't be an attempt next week? cheers Ben A. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Phil Parker Posted June 18, 2021 Administrators Share Posted June 18, 2021 1 hour ago, Ben A said: Hi all, Shame they didn't make it! Is it definite that there won't be an attempt next week? cheers Ben A. Talking to a friend involved in planning, the passengers might not be back in time. It seems that in an effort to spare them from trains full of football fans heading to London, they were put on a service that has an "interesting" path to dodge every other train on the network! I did ask if they were on a Pacer... However, if they DO decide to have another go, I promised to lend them something faster. 3 1 10 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zomboid Posted June 18, 2021 Share Posted June 18, 2021 They might not have beaten the record, but to get so close without the permission to exceed the speed limits that the APT had is pretty impressive. It also shows that things are pretty much as good as they can get with the existing infrastructure. 4 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
woodenhead Posted June 18, 2021 Share Posted June 18, 2021 27 minutes ago, Phil Parker said: Talking to a friend involved in planning, the passengers might not be back in time. It seems that in an effort to spare them from trains full of football fans heading to London, they were put on a service that has an "interesting" path to dodge every other train on the network! I did ask if they were on a Pacer... They now have the record for the slowest journey from Glasgow to London and Geoff Marshall now has completed his next 'All the Stations' challenge by doing them all in a single journey 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Compound2632 Posted June 19, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted June 19, 2021 Richard Moon will be turning in his grave. How much better it would be for the shareholders if everyone accepted that an average speed of 40 mph was perfectly adequate for a West Coast express! 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatB Posted June 20, 2021 Share Posted June 20, 2021 On 18/06/2021 at 03:47, hexagon789 said: Unfortunately not. The path next Thursday was simply if today's run had to be cancelled for an unforeseen reason, it's not a second attempt. Avanti have said they will consider trying again next summer if the situation permits. I take it they're having trouble finding a Triang motor bogie with the original 2-start worms . 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KeithMacdonald Posted June 21, 2021 Share Posted June 21, 2021 On 17/06/2021 at 17:18, caradoc said: The BBC News website, to no surprise at all (on my part anyway) is putting a negative slant to today's run: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-57511346 I'm only surprised it wasn't a report from Roger Harrabin, the BBC's Energy and Environment Analyst. https://notalotofpeopleknowthat.wordpress.com/2020/01/02/bbc-press-office-leap-to-harrabins-defence-but-ignore-his-bias/ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KeithMacdonald Posted June 21, 2021 Share Posted June 21, 2021 On 18/06/2021 at 10:11, Phil Parker said: Talking to a friend involved in planning, the passengers might not be back in time. It seems that in an effort to spare them from trains full of football fans heading to London, they were put on a service that has an "interesting" path to dodge every other train on the network! I did ask if they were on a Pacer... However, if they DO decide to have another go, I promised to lend them something faster. @Phil Parker - Oh woe! You can get locked-up for using one of those. Just ask @Ducking Giraffe 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Reorte Posted June 21, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted June 21, 2021 Missed this at the time so I've had to experience it vicariously by reading back through this thread. As someone generally not keen on the modern railway, and who rolls his eyes at people wanting more speed (why even look at this thread then? just curiosity as to what it might be about) to my complete surprise it's brought a smile to my face and a bit of disappointment when I got to the result. Well done for trying Avanti! 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crisis Rail Posted June 21, 2021 Share Posted June 21, 2021 On 18/06/2021 at 10:22, Zomboid said: They might not have beaten the record, but to get so close without the permission to exceed the speed limits that the APT had is pretty impressive. It also shows that things are pretty much as good as they can get with the existing infrastructure. Well looking back - doesn't it cross your mind that the APT attempt was bordering on recklessness? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zomboid Posted June 21, 2021 Share Posted June 21, 2021 I suppose it depends what preparation they did for the APT. If it was properly researched and predicted and any calculations needed were done and so on then that's responsible enough, but if someone just said "oh it'll be fine" then that's probably a bit reckless. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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