Crisis Rail Posted June 21, 2021 Share Posted June 21, 2021 1 hour ago, Zomboid said: I suppose it depends what preparation they did for the APT. If it was properly researched and predicted and any calculations needed were done and so on then that's responsible enough, but if someone just said "oh it'll be fine" then that's probably a bit reckless. Probably the latter. Lets "crank up" and whizz along a less than proven non production prototype on less than quality nick track in urgent need of a decent upgrade. I'm not saying life was more expendable back then. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Compound2632 Posted June 21, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted June 21, 2021 No more so than other high speed record attempts one might mention. No loss of life or limb thank goodness but which would you pick: a broken big end or broken crockery? 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Ron Ron Posted June 21, 2021 Share Posted June 21, 2021 (edited) The Man in Seat 61 made a video of the record attempt. (note Geoff Marshall being very loud in the background). Even though it missed the record by 21 seconds, it bettered the APT by sticking to speed restrictions and was undone by a TSR at Carstairs that cost it 90 seconds. . Edited June 21, 2021 by Ron Ron Ron 3 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Compound2632 Posted June 21, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted June 21, 2021 I never tire of the view of the Lune Valley. Though it's even better southbound, as one gets that fleeting glimpse down the valley southwards before swing west and under the M6. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bude_branch Posted June 21, 2021 Share Posted June 21, 2021 4 hours ago, Crisis Rail said: Well looking back - doesn't it cross your mind that the APT attempt was bordering on recklessness? Surely the whole point of the APT was that it could travel faster than a normal train on the existing infrastructure? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crisis Rail Posted June 21, 2021 Share Posted June 21, 2021 16 minutes ago, bude_branch said: Surely the whole point of the APT was that it could travel faster than a normal train on the existing infrastructure? Like the infrastructure at Hatfield? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bude_branch Posted June 21, 2021 Share Posted June 21, 2021 5 minutes ago, Crisis Rail said: Like the infrastructure at Hatfield? What has Hatfield got to do with the West Coast main Line? 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Oldddudders Posted June 21, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted June 21, 2021 11 minutes ago, Crisis Rail said: Like the infrastructure at Hatfield? The Hatfield disaster was a direct result of inadequate track maintenance. A former colleague was among those in the dock. It, and the environment in which it took place, were in the Privatised era. APT ran on BR metals maintained by BR. No risks were taken. 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Compound2632 Posted June 21, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted June 21, 2021 (edited) 17 minutes ago, Crisis Rail said: Like the infrastructure at Hatfield? The Hatfield accident was sixteen years later, under a completely different - and fatally weakened - infrastructure maintenance regime. The electrification of the line from Weaver Junction to Glasgow had been completed only 10 years earlier; this had involved not just stringing the wires but considerable rebuilding. [Crossed with Olddudders.] Edited June 21, 2021 by Compound2632 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crisis Rail Posted June 21, 2021 Share Posted June 21, 2021 1 minute ago, Oldddudders said: The Hatfield disaster was a direct result of inadequate track maintenance. A former colleague was among those in the dock. It, and the environment in which it took place, were in the Privatised era. APT ran on BR metals maintained by BR. No risks were taken. How can you differentiate between any TOC? Rail fatigue isn’t fussy. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Compound2632 Posted June 21, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted June 21, 2021 (edited) 1 minute ago, Crisis Rail said: How can you differentiate between any TOC? Rail fatigue isn’t fussy. If it's broken rails you're worried about the TOC doesn't enter into it. Edited June 21, 2021 by Compound2632 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crisis Rail Posted June 21, 2021 Share Posted June 21, 2021 2 minutes ago, Compound2632 said: The Hatfield accident was sixteen years later, under a completely different - and fatally weakened - infrastructure maintenance regime. The electrification of the line from Weaver Junction to Glasgow had been completed only 10 years earlier; this had involved not just stringing the wires but considerable rebuilding. [Crossed with Olddudders.] Yes. But the WCML and generally BR were a mess till Branson. Brave to send something tonking down on ageing metals unfortunately and tragically Hatfield was the result no matter how you dress it up. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crisis Rail Posted June 21, 2021 Share Posted June 21, 2021 5 minutes ago, Compound2632 said: If it's broken rails you're worried about the TOC doesn't enter into it. Your splitting hairs. What caused the fracture? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold beast66606 Posted June 21, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted June 21, 2021 1 minute ago, Crisis Rail said: Yes. But the WCML and generally BR were a mess till Branson. Brave to send something tonking down on ageing metals unfortunately and tragically Hatfield was the result no matter how you dress it up. That's doggy doo dahs 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Compound2632 Posted June 21, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted June 21, 2021 1 minute ago, Crisis Rail said: Yes. But the WCML and generally BR were a mess till Branson. I think you meant to post that in the Forum Jokes Thread? 5 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Oldddudders Posted June 21, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted June 21, 2021 2 minutes ago, Crisis Rail said: Yes. But the WCML and generally BR were a mess till Branson. Brave to send something tonking down on ageing metals unfortunately and tragically Hatfield was the result no matter how you dress it up. Do you have even the slightest idea what you are talking about? 1 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold beast66606 Posted June 21, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted June 21, 2021 1 minute ago, Crisis Rail said: Your splitting hairs. What caused the fracture? Lack of maintenance - which wasn't the case under BR at the time of the APT-E, if you're going to rant at least get *some* of your "facts" correct. 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Gilbert Posted June 21, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted June 21, 2021 I was enjoying this thread.... 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Compound2632 Posted June 21, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted June 21, 2021 Just now, Gilbert said: I was enjoying this thread.... Do you mean to say you aren't still? I think it's providing considerable entertainment, albeit with a morbid twist. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crisis Rail Posted June 21, 2021 Share Posted June 21, 2021 5 minutes ago, Oldddudders said: Do you have even the slightest idea what you are talking about? Well as usual. Your the forum know it all. Point me in the right direction. lm listening. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Gilbert Posted June 21, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted June 21, 2021 4 minutes ago, Compound2632 said: Do you mean to say you aren't still? I think it's providing considerable entertainment, albeit with a morbid twist. Sadly not..... 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators AY Mod Posted June 21, 2021 Moderators Share Posted June 21, 2021 25 minutes ago, Crisis Rail said: Brave to send something tonking down on ageing metals unfortunately and tragically Hatfield was the result no matter how you dress it up. Have you got any evidence for this position you have adopted and keep repeating? If not, please pipe down as it's an irrelevance. 2 7 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Oldddudders Posted June 21, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted June 21, 2021 11 minutes ago, Crisis Rail said: Well as usual. Your the forum know it all. Point me in the right direction. lm listening. I am? Wow - fame at last. What I can say is that in the last days of BR I worked very closely with the men who had been Director of Civil Engineering and the Infrastructure Directors at InterCity and Regional Railways, not to mention the chap who I believe now heads up the Permanent Way Institution. To a man they all had concerns about Railtrack's attitude to maintenance regimes. They were sadly proved right. 4 1 1 8 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators AY Mod Posted June 21, 2021 Moderators Share Posted June 21, 2021 16 minutes ago, Crisis Rail said: Well as usual. Your the forum know it all. Point me in the right direction. lm listening. You've only been successful in making yourself look completely bonkers. 2 2 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators AY Mod Posted June 21, 2021 Moderators Share Posted June 21, 2021 I've removed his access to the topic. 4 4 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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