GoingUnderground Posted July 7, 2021 Author Share Posted July 7, 2021 23 minutes ago, Il Grifone said: The link also leads to the Manyways station I set up on the living room table, taking advantage of SWMBO's absence! Been there, done that, read the book, got the T-shirt! I my case it was the dining room table or hall floor. 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
railroadbill Posted July 7, 2021 Share Posted July 7, 2021 After a bit of seaching in the loft... Tri-ang R63 and R64R platforms, just a bit a tighter radius than the Hornby Dublo curves...but not far off. Mind The Gap!! Also found a much later Hornby platform unit, narrower and lower than the Tri-ang. Actually, the Tri-ang platforms do click together very well. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Il Grifone Posted July 7, 2021 Share Posted July 7, 2021 Tri-ang platforms were designed for the grey base standard track, so (like Manyways) are rather high off the ground. The Tri-ang radius is 13½", as against Dublo's 15", so some mismatch is inevitable*. Likewise, The Dublo die-cast 3 rail platforms are higher than the plastic 2 rail version. * I overlooked this in my youth and went to buy some Tri-ang curved platforms. Luckily there were none in stock. I doubt there would have been sufficient clearance for longer stock in any case. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cypherman Posted July 7, 2021 Share Posted July 7, 2021 (edited) Hi all, Some where I still have a Trix Twin double engine shed Cat No 884, Through platform with waiting room Cat No 804 on it and what I believe was called a small goods building Cat No 32 put safely away in a box. I also had a large wooden station which had the main building crossing over the lines running through it. The platforms were if I remember right long enough to take 4 coaches and an engine. Plus the width was wide enough for 3 lines to run through it. There were separate wooden steps running up to the Main building on both platforms. It was painted in brick red and the roof/platforms were grey. Not a clue who made it. But I have a inkling that there may have been a Triang sticker on it, But I am not sure. Sadly I no longer have it and cannot find any pictures of it. Edited July 7, 2021 by cypherman 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ruffnut Thorston Posted July 7, 2021 Share Posted July 7, 2021 (edited) Any wooden accessories are not likely to be Tri-ang Railways made. Trix and Hornby Dublo both had wooden buildings pre WW2. Trix… https://www.brightontoymuseum.co.uk/index/Category:Trix_Manyways_station_sets A Trix display model incorporating the not to be made shop units… https://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/trix-ttr-many-ways-wooden-model-1778512138 Hornby Dublo… https://www.brightontoymuseum.co.uk/index/Category:Hornby_Dublo_buildings_-_wood Hornby Dublo station and goods depot. https://www.the-saleroom.com/en-gb/auction-catalogues/special-auction-services/catalogue-id-srspe10023/lot-e73eaa05-a760-4247-969d-a3ff00c2d3f1#lotDetails There were other manufacturers of mainly scenery products that also produced buildings. This over track station sounds like a Mastermodels “Woodside” model. https://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/master-models-woodside-footbridge-247462343 https://www.the-saleroom.com/en-gb/auction-catalogues/special-auction-services/catalogue-id-2838884/lot-11442635 Mastermodels also had the “Rickwood” range of wooden buildings… Edited July 7, 2021 by Ruffnut Thorston More added 4 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Il Grifone Posted July 7, 2021 Share Posted July 7, 2021 (edited) The pre-war Trix buildings were wooden (I believe I'm correct in saying that the goods shed no. 32 was the last building to be so constructed). Originally the Manyways platforms were a solid piece of wood (2"x 1"/1"x1"?). I had a rather nice wooden goods shed, an overbridge with impossibly steep inclines (about 1in 1) on both sides, and a couple of wooden platforms (possibly Hugar products?) plus the aforementioned Dublo Island platform (they came with red or green roofs - mine was the green version). I spent the platform money on a grab for my Tri-ang crane. I remember Dad did not approve of my purchase - he was probably right, as it did not last very long - I actually tried to use it! Edited July 7, 2021 by Il Grifone 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Andy Kirkham Posted July 7, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted July 7, 2021 Interesting how Hornby and Trix assumed its customers would only want ultra-modern railway buildings, despite these being extremely rare on the real railway. 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ruffnut Thorston Posted July 7, 2021 Share Posted July 7, 2021 (edited) 7 hours ago, GoingUnderground said: I agree. So often station platform lengths on layouts were curtailed because of the lack of curved platform units. The matching curved canopies was also a good idea, and these 3 new canopies' colour of pale cream looked good. There was also the subway unit, and later the 2nd storey building with the clocktower to go on two of the normal station buildings. I could never get to like the double track canopy unit R.74 as, to me, it looks unfinished as it only covers half the platform, and somewhat exposed at the ends. What it needed, and still needs as it is still in the current range as R.334 (a reused number first used on the DMU centre unit), was/is some sort of side canopy accessory that matches the straight canopies, currently R.514, and a curtain end screen, both of which could be bought separately and added to cover over the unsheltered part of the platform, or the exposed end. Sales may have been low and slow, but if they had introduced them when the double track canopy was first introduced back in the Triang Hornby days I' m sure that the tooling would have more than paid for itself by now, and might even have encouraged sales of the double track canopy itself by giving it a more "complete" look. Dublo did have the half width platform, useful if space was at a premium. There was never a Triang equivalent. But to look right it would have needed its own canopy and possibly handed subway units which would all have added to the cost. As has been said about the introduction of alternative or period liveries on locos, once there are alternate livery for the loco, you need the matching rolling stock, and what started out as a relatively cheap way to expand the range and appeal of the system suddenly becomes more expensive if new tooling has to be produced for the matching "accessories". Tri-ang Railways Curved Platform Canopies. http://www.tri-ang.co.uk/oonew/CanopyCurved.htm Tri-ang also released a double track curved level crossing, that fits onto 1st and 2nd Radius Super 4 track sections. This freed up the straight sections of an oval layout for points, and stations… https://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/vintage-triang-Hornby-r414-curved-1772844367 The new Tri-ang R.74 overall roof (later R.334) was intended to replace the Hornby Dublo version. The roof being the main omission from the Series 2 Buildings. (R.74 has previously been used for the Standard Track High Level Piers.) Original green girders. R.74 and R.334. More recent Blue girders. R.334. I agree with your views on this model. One problem being that the locating holes in the platforms for the supports are in the centre of the platform sections. The supports are designed with two slots, to enable two roof sections to be accommodated on one central set is supports, to cover 4 tracks and most of 3 platform widths. The “loudspeakers” on the supports are designed to clip to the 2nd Series type platform canopies. The edge of the canopy clips over the speakers. To use the canopies as supplied, two platform sections would probably need to be used. If a 2nd Series “Half Canopy” had been made, it would fulfil one of the points made. I am not sure if the current 3rd Series canopies would fit in this way. The supports will also accommodate a R.474 2nd Series Waiting Room, or a R.469 2nd Series Seat Unit, between them, the lugs on the sides of the waiting room fitting in the grooves in the girders, in the same way as for the other canopy supports (but only on straight platforms…). (An Airfix/ Dapol kiosk features in this photo..) http://rovex.co.uk/OONew/WaitingRoom.htm http://www.tri-ang.co.uk/oonew/PlatformSeat.htm The upper storey building didn’t sell too well, possibly because you needed the space, and had to buy two Ticket Offices to use it. http://www.tri-ang.co.uk/oonew/newstationUpper.htm It was designed to have the same pattern of internal lighting, switched by one of the two decorative panels each side of the clock tower. Later, the building was retooled to have doors, and re released as a Terminus building. In this form, it sort of replicated the Hornby Dublo large building, but at a more useable size. Especially when sold as part of the 1970s R.6 central Station Set, including two R.74 roofs. https://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/triang-Hornby-r6-central-station-498627727 Edited July 7, 2021 by Ruffnut Thorston More added… 7 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Il Grifone Posted July 8, 2021 Share Posted July 8, 2021 It looks better in red-brown (IMHO), but, since it's obviously supposed to be a reinforced concrete building, grey would have been better still*. I suppose it was the same plastic as they used for their own buildings. * Not just my opinion, since years ago* I bought a Dublo station which had been repainted grey (for £4). However as the repaint seemed to have been done with a trowel rather than a brush, I restored it to the original Dublo colours (or as near as I could mix them - near enough as the original varied - as I found out when I bought some ramps for it (at £2.50 each they cost more than the station itself). I selected the best pair (as one does), but it was only when I got them home that I realised they were a slightly different shade. * It must have been at least fifteen years ago, as this building appears on my Dublo Layout which was dismantled when we moved in 2008 and I'd had it for a while then. The one in the back corner here (The 8F now has valvegear!): 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
railroadbill Posted July 8, 2021 Share Posted July 8, 2021 18 hours ago, Ruffnut Thorston said: Tri-ang Railways Curved Platform Canopies. http://www.tri-ang.co.uk/oonew/CanopyCurved.htm Tri-ang also released a double track curved level crossing, that fits onto 1st and 2nd Radius Super 4 track sections. This freed up the straight sections of an oval layout for points, and stations… https://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/vintage-triang-Hornby-r414-curved-1772844367 The new Tri-ang R.74 overall roof (later R.334) was intended to replace the Hornby Dublo version. The roof being the main omission from the Series 2 Buildings. (R.74 has previously been used for the Standard Track High Level Piers.) Original green girders. R.74 and R.334. More recent Blue girders. R.334. I agree with your views on this model. One problem being that the locating holes in the platforms for the supports are in the centre of the platform sections. The supports are designed with two slots, to enable two roof sections to be accommodated on one central set is supports, to cover 4 tracks and most of 3 platform widths. The “loudspeakers” on the supports are designed to clip to the 2nd Series type platform canopies. The edge of the canopy clips over the speakers. To use the canopies as supplied, two platform sections would probably need to be used. If a 2nd Series “Half Canopy” had been made, it would fulfil one of the points made. I am not sure if the current 3rd Series canopies would fit in this way. The supports will also accommodate a R.474 2nd Series Waiting Room, or a R.469 2nd Series Seat Unit, between them, the lugs on the sides of the waiting room fitting in the grooves in the girders, in the same way as for the other canopy supports (but only on straight platforms…). (An Airfix/ Dapol kiosk features in this photo..) http://rovex.co.uk/OONew/WaitingRoom.htm http://www.tri-ang.co.uk/oonew/PlatformSeat.htm The upper storey building didn’t sell too well, possibly because you needed the space, and had to buy two Ticket Offices to use it. http://www.tri-ang.co.uk/oonew/newstationUpper.htm It was designed to have the same pattern of internal lighting, switched by one of the two decorative panels each side of the clock tower. Later, the building was retooled to have doors, and re released as a Terminus building. In this form, it sort of replicated the Hornby Dublo large building, but at a more useable size. Especially when sold as part of the 1970s R.6 central Station Set, including two R.74 roofs. https://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/triang-Hornby-r6-central-station-498627727 The curved platforms and canopies look quite effective, imho. At one time I thought platforms look more realistic straight, but a lot of stations actually have curved platforms. The picture with the Airfix bookstall had a very "big station" look to it. That was another thing with H-D or Tri-ang back in the day, the Airfix railway kits that must have appeared on a lot of layouts. 1 hour ago, Il Grifone said: It looks better in red-brown (IMHO), but, since it's obviously supposed to be a reinforced concrete building, grey would have been better still*. I suppose it was the same plastic as they used for their own buildings. * Not just my opinion, since years ago* I bought a Dublo station which had been repainted grey (for £4). However as the repaint seemed to have been done with a trowel rather than a brush, I restored it to the original Dublo colours (or as near as I could mix them - near enough as the original varied - as I found out when I bought some ramps for it (at £2.50 each they cost more than the station itself). I selected the best pair (as one does), but it was only when I got them home that I realised they were a slightly different shade. * It must have been at least fifteen years ago, as this building appears on my Dublo Layout which was dismantled when we moved in 2008 and I'd had it for a while then. The one in the back corner here (The 8F now has valvegear!): Re the colour of Hornby Dublo buildings, some time ago I came across a thread where a halfords acrylic spray paint was used to repaint them, which was a beige-cream, but can't find the reference. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Il Grifone Posted July 8, 2021 Share Posted July 8, 2021 (edited) It's Ford Safari Beige IIRC. It dates back to the eighties and I think it's now obsolete. A current prices (around £15 last time I looked) it's almost cheaper to buy an original station in good condition. Perhaps I should have done my station with a green roof (like the signal cabin* ). Possibly I didn't because the roof is still the original paint? There's a 'restored' buff water crane somewhere though (again ). * My excuse is that it's not really a fake as the ceiling is still orange. Edited July 8, 2021 by Il Grifone 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sagaguy Posted July 8, 2021 Share Posted July 8, 2021 Molotow Belton Sahara biege,much cheaper than Halfords and 400ml cans. Ray. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sagaguy Posted July 8, 2021 Share Posted July 8, 2021 (edited) 6 hours ago, sagaguy said: Molotow Belton Sahara biege,much cheaper than Halfords and 400ml cans. Ray. Link to Great art. https://www.greatart.co.uk/molotow-belton-premium-spray-paints.html Ray. Edited July 8, 2021 by sagaguy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
roythebus1 Posted July 9, 2021 Share Posted July 9, 2021 Remember Playcraft made a very good kit for the modern modeller in the form of Macclesfield Station. I used to have one many years ago, I don't know what happened to it. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandwich station Posted July 9, 2021 Share Posted July 9, 2021 17 hours ago, Il Grifone said: It's Ford Safari Beige IIRC. Are you sure it was Safari Beige? I remember there being a Ford Sahara Beige around that time Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium St Enodoc Posted July 9, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted July 9, 2021 53 minutes ago, sandwich station said: Are you sure it was Safari Beige? I remember there being a Ford Sahara Beige around that time There was Ford Sahara Beige and Ford Sierra Beige. Sahara Beige was a good match for GWR/BR coach cream. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sagaguy Posted July 9, 2021 Share Posted July 9, 2021 Ford Sahara beige,a UK colour but the paint I've linked to is a good match. Ray 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoingUnderground Posted July 9, 2021 Author Share Posted July 9, 2021 (edited) 10 hours ago, sagaguy said: Link to Great art. https://www.greatart.co.uk/molotow-belton-premium-spray-paints.html Ray. The product description in that link "Molotow Belton Premium Spray Paints were developed with advice from the world's most famous street artists." makes it sound that they're great for graffiti work with excellent adherence to stone, brick, and concrete, not to mention equipment cabinets, etc.. So that must make them ideal for repainting the Dublo buildings. Molotow Belton is not a brand that I've ever heard of, but then I'm not familiar with the art world. Daler Rowney and Cumberland Derwent are my limit. Outside of the celebrated Holden-designed 1930s station buildings of "brick with a concrete lid" for London Transport, such as Sudbury Town I always think of Art Deco buildings as being white/whitewashed, with contrasting metal window frames in green or black, with the flat roof being hidden behind a white balustrade, and presumably roofing felt green/grey/black. One well televised example often used as a location setting for "Poirot" is "High & Over" in Amersham, https://amershammuseum.org/history/on-the-hill/high-over/. Others are the Hoover factory in Perivale, London, and the Firestone Tyre building in Brentford. The Dublo buildings are what I would call 1930s or Art Deco style, forgive me if I'm wrong but I'm a bit of a philistine when it comes to art and architcture. That might be why I think they look better when Triang changed the colour. Has anyone ever tried repainting the Dublo stations in white with the roof in green or grey and the platforms in "asphalt or stone" grey? I think they would look much more stylish, and possibly more realistic and of their time. Edited July 9, 2021 by GoingUnderground 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Il Grifone Posted July 9, 2021 Share Posted July 9, 2021 (edited) It sounds a good idea. The Dublo buildings have green windows but they have only the frame picked out. The bit where the glazing goes is wall colour. Adding glazing improves the appearance, especially for the signal cabin, which really needs an interior too. Examples (note the green roof makes it 'worth' five times as much): https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Hornby-Dublo-Signal-Cabin Just a thought: the roof green is the same green as the doors. Did they have excess stocks of paint to get rid of? Edited July 9, 2021 by Il Grifone 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sagaguy Posted July 9, 2021 Share Posted July 9, 2021 This is my Deltic in Belton Shock blue. Ray 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoingUnderground Posted July 9, 2021 Author Share Posted July 9, 2021 (edited) 6 hours ago, Il Grifone said: It sounds a good idea. The Dublo buildings have green windows but they have only the frame picked out. The bit where the glazing goes is wall colour. Adding glazing improves the appearance, especially for the signal cabin, which really needs an interior too. Examples (note the green roof makes it 'worth' five times as much): https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Hornby-Dublo-Signal-Cabin Just a thought: the roof green is the same green as the doors. Did they have excess stocks of paint to get rid of? Probably cheaper just to buy one colour of green paint and use it as much as possible (which also may have saved downtime on cleaning up the spray kit to make it ready for another colour), just as Triang tended to use just one colour of plastic for everything that used very similar shades. The green on the roof of the one shown in your link is pretty close to the colour of tiles that were used on a block of white "Art Deco" flats that I used to pass as a kid on the way to school. I always thought they looked rather smart. The existence of the green roofed examples makes me wonder if Meccano intended to paint the signal box white in "Art Deco" style but for some reason that plan was abandoned. Edited July 9, 2021 by GoingUnderground 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Il Grifone Posted July 10, 2021 Share Posted July 10, 2021 "The existence of the green roofed examples makes me wonder if Meccano intended to paint the signal box white in "Art Deco" style but for some reason that plan was abandoned." Possibly, but they did have a yellow mania (even the pre-war platforms were a pale brown tending to yellow). The green roofed post-war buildings date from the sixties (roughly) which suggests an economy measure/ There is a footbridge similar in style to the Dublo one at South Ockendon station, but it is pure cement colour, not yellow. Apart from the colour, main differences from the Dublo design are it's lower height because of platform mounting and has landings (a legal requirement I believe) half way up the long staircases. The latter is a common failing of model footbridges (well done Tri-ang, but the actual bridge section usually has steps too). I've thought of modifying a Dublo bridge to platform mounting with landings, but it's another of those 'this year, next year...' projects. I need to find a couple of cheap, tatty bridges first I've seen Meccano Ltd. accused of copying the very similar Crescent Bridge, but, since the Dublo bridge was designed pre-war (due for release in 1941 IIRC, but failed to make it) and Crescent's range is post-war (and pest prone), I have reason to doubt this. https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Ockendon_station_look_south.JPG 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ruffnut Thorston Posted July 10, 2021 Share Posted July 10, 2021 (edited) The similarities between the Dublo and Crescent bridges have lead me to believe that the first version of the Dublo bridge was possibly the inspiration behind the crescent bridge. The later Dublo bridge has a different arrangement for attaching the step units to the first Dublo bridges. In fact, some parts are almost interchangeable. The Dublo bridge step units have a hole in the bottom step to enable the bridge to be attached to a baseboard. The Crescent bridge step units have a blind hole in this position. The Crescent bridge does, however, have some unique features. Smoke plates under the main span. Black and brown plates have been seen. The landings at each end of the main span have removable walls, enabling the step sections to be positioned in three ways each end. This enabled Crescent to market three different sets, with two, four, and six step sections. Some of the removable walls on some earlier Crescent bridges included cast in lamp posts. (Despite some illustrations shewing lamps in the centre of the main span, it is doubtful that any were made like that.) These lamp posts are delicate, and break easily. Possibly they were discontinued, as the wall sections so fitted seem far less common. Later bridges have the locations for the walls as blind slots, earlier ones have slots as holes, these weaken the landings. Crescent bridges are in various shades of dark green. Some step sections feature paper advertising. The amount of these seen suggests that they were factory applied. I did contribute to some articles on these bridges in past issues (17, 18, 19, 20) of The Train Collector, the magazine of The Train Collectors Society. https://traincollectors.co.uk/the-train-collector-is-the-magazine-of-the-tcs/ https://traincollectors.co.uk/ Also, an earlier thread on RMWeb… Edited July 10, 2021 by Ruffnut Thorston Links added… photos added…typo 4 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoingUnderground Posted July 10, 2021 Author Share Posted July 10, 2021 (edited) 2 hours ago, Il Grifone said: ...... but they did have a yellow mania (even the pre-war platforms were a pale brown tending to yellow). The green roofed post-war buildings date from the sixties (roughly) which suggests an economy measure/ The yellow/cream for platforms goes back to Hornby O gauge tinplate days, and to that extent their use on the Dublo range looks like continuing the status quo but applying it to the new OO gauge products. It looked OK on the O gauge tinplate station, probably because much of the O gauge range was toy-like (nothing wrong with that as that is what much of it was intended to be) and also as the O gauge station building walls were different tones to the platform and the roof was a different colour altogether. The same applied to the O gauge footbridge. Somewhere I have a Dublo station building with some platform. It might, once I finish all my other projects so don't hold your breath, be worth spraying it white with a green roof and grey platform with white edging just to see how it would have looked in "full Art Deco" style. Edited July 10, 2021 by GoingUnderground Added pictures and reference to the footbridge 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Il Grifone Posted July 10, 2021 Share Posted July 10, 2021 (edited) On 08/07/2021 at 15:12, Il Grifone said: It's Ford Safari Beige IIRC. It dates back to the eighties and I think it's now obsolete. I understand it's actually Sahara Beige. I did check, but can't find the reference again The GreatArt colours don't seem quite correct, but sample cards are notorious for not matching. I think I used Humbrol beige darkened a bit, but it was a long time ago. This one (usual disclaimer) looks to have faded to a more natural colour. (The price is not unreasonable either, especially considering the P.O. (and eBay/PayPal) take their cut.) https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Hornby-Dublo-Metal-Signal-Cabin-Good-Condition Edited July 10, 2021 by Il Grifone 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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