billywhizz Posted June 22, 2021 Share Posted June 22, 2021 20 hours ago, Grimleygrid said: Hi JSpencer, may I suggest looking on eBay or other such sites for old copies of Platform5's Motive Power Pocket Books. These are perfect for loco allocations and also Railfreight Sector pools. This would be very helpful for choosing locos that would be suitable for your area of interest. Hope that helps. Also preserved railway book stalls / preservation society sales coaches are a good source for these. As an example one of the coaches at Bewdley station which houses a steam loco society shop has boxes of platform 5 books. Cheers, Bill. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crisis Rail Posted June 22, 2021 Share Posted June 22, 2021 20 hours ago, Grimleygrid said: I thought I would share a link to a very nice photo on Flickr showing two different cab styles of the Class 56, 56069 and 56020: No - that's copyright @Sandhills Jon surely? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium E100 Posted June 22, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted June 22, 2021 22 hours ago, Grimleygrid said: I thought I would share a link to a very nice photo on Flickr showing two different cab styles of the Class 56, 56069 and 56020: I love a good spot the difference. I won't be getting one as they are way out of my scene but this is looking like a good model and do hope this is a huge success for Cavalex. It should hopefully go some way to keeping the bigger manufactures somewhat more humble either in price or quality though that is wishful thinking no doubt. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
owentherail Posted June 22, 2021 Share Posted June 22, 2021 Do we know when we find out the price of these beasts 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium newbryford Posted June 22, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted June 22, 2021 2 hours ago, owentherail said: Do we know when we find out the price of these beasts See a posting on the previous page for an indication. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
owentherail Posted June 23, 2021 Share Posted June 23, 2021 9 hours ago, newbryford said: See a posting on the previous page for an indication. So no near date just £199 price Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium ColinK Posted June 23, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted June 23, 2021 Does anyone know when each of the locos to be made was actually in service in the liveries modelled? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
APT Fan Posted June 23, 2021 Share Posted June 23, 2021 35 minutes ago, owentherail said: So no near date just £199 price It would be very interesting if this gets to market on or before the Hornby version who are currently expecting 'Winter 21/22'. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Ghost of IKB Posted June 23, 2021 Share Posted June 23, 2021 29 minutes ago, APT Fan said: It would be very interesting if this gets to market on or before the Hornby version who are currently expecting 'Winter 21/22'. Considering its not yet tooled up , and its almost july already, i would guess theres no chance of seeing it this year, but im happy to be wrong. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Ghost of IKB Posted June 23, 2021 Share Posted June 23, 2021 On 21/06/2021 at 18:26, Grimleygrid said: I thought I would share a link to a very nice photo on Flickr showing two different cab styles of the Class 56, 56069 and 56020: The later cab version seems to be sporting a very unusual radio aerial. I wonder if there are any plans to include this rare, possibly experimental feature? 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
atom3624 Posted June 23, 2021 Share Posted June 23, 2021 May restrict their operating areas - need to take care with the overhead electrical cables where fitted!! Al. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
w124bob Posted June 23, 2021 Share Posted June 23, 2021 (edited) As young 2nd secondman starting my footplate career in 1978 I have fond memories of these locos, many fresh of the production line. To me 56036 will always be special, not because it was large logo genesis but because it arrived at Coalville almost new as I sat waiting for the interview which set me on a 40 year career! So I really hope to see that loco in the range , special commission anyone? Here is 56060 passing the fueling point at Burton on Trent circa 1980 Here is 56064 at Drakelow C station. Note 064 has the larger headlight another minor difference, this was in as new condition, 061 being the first to carry the larger style from new. Edited June 23, 2021 by w124bob 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RBE Posted June 23, 2021 Share Posted June 23, 2021 10 hours ago, APT Fan said: It would be very interesting if this gets to market on or before the Hornby version who are currently expecting 'Winter 21/22'. We are not trying to beat hormbys next run of their model to market, our class 56 is aimed at modellers who are looking for an improvement over what is currently available. 14 1 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
APT Fan Posted June 23, 2021 Share Posted June 23, 2021 1 hour ago, RBE said: We are not trying to beat hormbys next run of their model to market, our class 56 is aimed at modellers who are looking for an improvement over what is currently available. It would be nice to have an idea of dates from a plnning point of view. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
APT Fan Posted June 23, 2021 Share Posted June 23, 2021 I notice that the models will have electrically operated roof fans? 'Separately motor operated roof fans via a function output on DCC, or when moving' Is this a unique feature for an OO scale model? I can't think of another and it is something I've always wondered why it isn't more common given the technology available nowadays. Its great to see a 21 pin DCC socket too, the whole project looks extremely impressive if I'm honest. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Classsix T Posted June 23, 2021 Share Posted June 23, 2021 42 minutes ago, APT Fan said: I notice that the models will have electrically operated roof fans? 'Separately motor operated roof fans via a function output on DCC, or when moving' Is this a unique feature for an OO scale model? I can't think of another and it is something I've always wondered why it isn't more common given the technology available nowadays. Its great to see a 21 pin DCC socket too, the whole project looks extremely impressive if I'm honest. I took a Hornby Grid apart with the full intention of motorising the fans (battery powered, not on dcc). The rubber band driven effort was a nice try but ultimately a damp squib, the fans on the prototype are thermostatically controlled by the coolant temperature and will run, or not, independently of whatever the engine or traction motors are doing. Ultimately, Hornby's Grid, whilst good, needs a hefty amount of round-tuits applied to make it great. I'm hopeful Cavalex's effort will negate the requirement to be an accomplished modeller. (compliment!) I've my eye on 097 (the last Grid I saw on the Barham Redland iirc, I've got the wagons!) and 055. C6T. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
66738 Posted June 24, 2021 Share Posted June 24, 2021 (edited) On 23/06/2021 at 09:04, ColinK said: Does anyone know when each of the locos to be made was actually in service in the liveries modelled? As far as I can see: 56008 was Blue from new until the early 90’s when it was withdrawn. The only livery it carried. 56019 went Railfreight red stripe in March 1988 and stayed in it until at least 1998. Not sure when withdrawn but I think it was still in red stripe. 56070 was Blue until at November 1989, when it went into Railfreight construction sector. 56077 was Railfreight by summer 1986. Possibly earlier. The earliest picture I can find of 077 in Coal sector diamonds is May 1991. 56093 wore LL from new until between 1988 and 1990, when it went into Coal sector. 56120 was LL from new until at least 1990, before going to coal sector. Anyone that can fill in some uncertainties with more accurate dates, please feel free to correct. 66738 Edited June 24, 2021 by 66738 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ultimate Model Railways Posted June 24, 2021 Share Posted June 24, 2021 17 minutes ago, 66738 said: 56019 went Railfreight red stripe in March 1988 and stayed in it until at least 1998. Not sure when withdrawn but I think it was still in red stripe. 019 was withdrawn in 1999 when it was switched off at Immingham. It was still in red stripe then, and was scrapped around 2003 afaik. 3 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold 4630 Posted June 24, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted June 24, 2021 3 minutes ago, Ultimate Model Railways said: 019 was withdrawn in 1999 when it was switched off at Immingham. It was still in red stripe then, and was scrapped around 2003 afaik. Scrapped November 2003 apparently, according to records that I've seen. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Roy Langridge Posted June 24, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted June 24, 2021 1 hour ago, 66738 said: As far as I can see: 56008 was Blue from new until the early 90’s when it was withdrawn. The only livery it carried. 56019 went Railfreight red stripe in March 1988 and stayed in it until at least 1998. Not sure when withdrawn but I think it was still in red stripe. 56070 was Blue until at November 1989, when it went into Railfreight construction sector. 56077 was Railfreight by summer 1986. Possibly earlier. The earliest picture I can find of 077 in Coal sector diamonds is May 1991. 56093 wore LL from new until between 1988 and 1990, when it went into Coal sector. 56120 was LL from new until at least 1990, before going to coal sector. Anyone that can fill in some uncertainties with more accurate dates, please feel free to correct. 66738 Only comment I would make is that 56093 was standard large logo when new, and I think Cavalex are giving it Tinsley's special paint job that it got in the mid-80s. Roy 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
slg Posted June 24, 2021 Share Posted June 24, 2021 093 is definitely on my list 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium ColinK Posted June 24, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted June 24, 2021 Thanks for the info on the dates, I’ll probably go for 56120 as it seems to be the latest in LL livery. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingstoke Junction Posted June 24, 2021 Share Posted June 24, 2021 (edited) 9 hours ago, 66738 said: As far as I can see: 56008 was Blue from new until the early 90’s when it was withdrawn. The only livery it carried. 56019 went Railfreight red stripe in March 1988 and stayed in it until at least 1998. Not sure when withdrawn but I think it was still in red stripe. 56070 was Blue until at November 1989, when it went into Railfreight construction sector. 56077 was Railfreight by summer 1986. Possibly earlier. The earliest picture I can find of 077 in Coal sector diamonds is May 1991. 56093 wore LL from new until between 1988 and 1990, when it went into Coal sector. 56120 was LL from new until at least 1990, before going to coal sector. Anyone that can fill in some uncertainties with more accurate dates, please feel free to correct. 66738 I'll try to put some more flesh on the bones, sorry Grids! A few allocations as well 56008 TI & TO 56018 EWS 1998 to withdrawn, IM 56019 TO & CF as well 56023 Coal sector 1988-93 TO 56046 Construction CF, TO & SL Seems to have carried the Westbury "Prancing Horse" depot plaque for a while see link (or was it an advert for Lloyd's Bank?) 56055 Loadhaul 1995-2003 IM 7 TE 56070 TO 56074 Coal 1988-94 TI/IM/TE 56077 Railfreight 1986-90 TO 56093 Large Logo until 1989 56097 Metals 1993-98 TE & IM 56120 Large Logo to 1992 TI/GD/IM/TE Feel free to add - not sure about depot plaques on other sector locos as TBH, 56046 is my main interest. Edited June 24, 2021 by Kingstoke Junction 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ellocoloco Posted June 25, 2021 Share Posted June 25, 2021 On 23/06/2021 at 21:21, APT Fan said: I notice that the models will have electrically operated roof fans Hornby added an electrically operated roof fan on their Electrotren ALCo 321 in 2008 replacing the band operated fan used in the similar 316 and 318 classes. HO not OO, which is more challenging given their smaller physical size. (The Electrotren HO 316/318/321 classes are mechanically very similar models to the Hornby OO BR Class 31.) I would suggested that very few DCC users will bother to the run it with the fan on once the initial novelty has worn off............DC users don't have a choice! Its much better than a band drive, but still pretty pointless. Hornby appear to have chosen not to offer this on OO models when it is technically feasible. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Ian J. Posted June 25, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted June 25, 2021 10 minutes ago, ellocoloco said: ... I would suggested that very few DCC users will bother to the run it with the fan on once the initial novelty has worn off............DC users don't have a choice! Its much better than a band drive, but still pretty pointless. Hornby appear to have chosen not to offer this on OO models when it is technically feasible. I think the ability to have a moving fan while the locomotive is stationary is actually more than a novelty. It adds a visibly moving feature that creates interest and attracts the eye. Having it able to move only when the locomotive is moving is pointless as it can't be seen properly due to the movement of the loco. I applaud Cavalex in doing this and hope more 'manufacturers' will follow suit. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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