Craig1989 Posted June 19, 2021 Share Posted June 19, 2021 Seen a rumour today that the flying Scotsman was on a tour and 69 late at Grantham because it ran out of steam on the way Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold john new Posted June 19, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted June 19, 2021 Real time trains shows it consistently losing time - https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/service/gb-nr:U91381/2021-06-19/detailed 1hr 40 late now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig1989 Posted June 19, 2021 Author Share Posted June 19, 2021 Question is how does a steamer lose steam on the move is it poor firing or something else although? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rs4 Posted June 19, 2021 Share Posted June 19, 2021 It did sound rather pathetic at Stevenage this morning Just sounded “odd”. A higher pitch “chuff” There you go, the technical answer ! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nova Scotian Posted June 19, 2021 Share Posted June 19, 2021 Doesn't sound quite right, does it? 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig1989 Posted June 19, 2021 Author Share Posted June 19, 2021 Just seen apparently been declared a failure waiting for a loco from York Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Hodgson Posted June 19, 2021 Share Posted June 19, 2021 Didn't look very well loaded 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SamThomas Posted June 19, 2021 Share Posted June 19, 2021 Sometimes I think it should be re-named "Flying Moneypit". 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pandora Posted June 19, 2021 Share Posted June 19, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, Nova Scotian said: Doesn't sound quite right, does it? Not very well at all , not the "Gresley Beat" only a kitten sneezing, it must be a bad coal problem, note the light exhaust, the crew are nursing the boiler, if we have a mechanical problem, a crew would declare a failure far earlier in the trip Edited June 19, 2021 by Pandora Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Titan Posted June 19, 2021 Share Posted June 19, 2021 The beat does sound reasonably even, but just very quiet. It was steadily losing time from the start, but the loses got worse as time went on. Does seem like an inability to boil enough water rather than something broken. I wonder what coal they are using? 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Porcy Mane Posted June 19, 2021 Share Posted June 19, 2021 Failed in Babworth Yard apparently. What would Roy Jackson have said? Maybe it's a recent Tony Wright EM conversion. Tornado must have been using better coal. It fairly rattled past me earlier this morning. https://flic.kr/p/2m6oDz4 P 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Denbridge Posted June 19, 2021 Share Posted June 19, 2021 Sadly, it happens. Just about every preserved steam locomotive has a problem at one time or another. 60103 has been a consistent and reliable machine since it returned to the mainline. One failure and childish comments such as "flying Money pit" start emerging. 2 10 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium rab Posted June 19, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted June 19, 2021 29 minutes ago, Denbridge said: Sadly, it happens. Just about every preserved steam locomotive has a problem at one time or another. 60103 has been a consistent and reliable machine since it returned to the mainline. One failure and childish comments such as "flying Money pit" start emerging. Those sort of comments started coming out long before it even got back on the mainline. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Bucoops Posted June 19, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted June 19, 2021 As much as I don't like FS in it's current form, the "flying money pit" has repaid its investment already so that's not relevant, and hopefully today's issue is nothing serious. I think the last one it had it had to be repaired at the Nene Valley? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
APOLLO Posted June 19, 2021 Share Posted June 19, 2021 Piston Broke ? Brit15 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Simon Lee Posted June 19, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted June 19, 2021 3 minutes ago, Bucoops said: As much as I don't like FS in it's current form, the "flying money pit" has repaid its investment already so that's not relevant, and hopefully today's issue is nothing serious. I think the last one it had it had to be repaired at the Nene Valley? Think that was Tornado when the inside valve gear caused problems and it failed just north of Peterborough. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SamThomas Posted June 19, 2021 Share Posted June 19, 2021 1 hour ago, Denbridge said: Sadly, it happens. Just about every preserved steam locomotive has a problem at one time or another. 60103 has been a consistent and reliable machine since it returned to the mainline. One failure and childish comments such as "flying Money pit" start emerging. I was referring to the obscene & disgraceful amount of money private & public nthat have been spent on this one particular locomotive over the years. For the sort of sums involved a reliable replica could have built (& lets face it, the vast majority of the public would neither know or care), the original (note) cosmetically restored & money spent on say "Mallard" to get her up & running. "Childish comments" - typical remark from an intollerant FS supporter. (note) - how much of the original actually exists & is all assembled into the same locomotive ? 2 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Bucoops Posted June 19, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted June 19, 2021 (edited) 12 minutes ago, Simon Lee said: Think that was Tornado when the inside valve gear caused problems and it failed just north of Peterborough. Definitely FS https://www.heritagerailway.co.uk/3082/flying-scotsman-repaired/ Although you are correct, Tornado also ended up there for assessment and repairs. Edited June 19, 2021 by Bucoops 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold russ p Posted June 19, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted June 19, 2021 Maybe it would be better if the NRM went back to firing it on coal rather than £20 notes ! 3 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hmrspaul Posted June 19, 2021 Share Posted June 19, 2021 (edited) Limped into York behind the WR diesel that was sent out to collect it about 3 and a quarter late. Presumably FS is now at the museum as the diesel took the train back to London on time. Paul Edited June 19, 2021 by hmrspaul Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold PaulRhB Posted June 19, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted June 19, 2021 8 minutes ago, SamThomas said: I was referring to the obscene & disgraceful amount of money private & public nthat have been spent on this one particular locomotive over the years. because it’s an icon so the museum can justify it in their plan whether various people outside approve or not 8 minutes ago, SamThomas said: For the sort of sums involved a reliable replica could have built (& lets face it, the vast majority of the public would neither know or care), the original (note) cosmetically restored & money spent on say "Mallard" to get her up & running. Simply because many travel because of its history and enjoy that. Why is Mallard going to be any more reliable though? (Personally I’d love to see her out again as the A4 is my favourite but accept it’s probably stuffed until at least 2038) 8 minutes ago, SamThomas said: "Childish comments" - typical remark from an intollerant FS supporter. So let’s not get equally inflammatory in response? 8 minutes ago, SamThomas said: (note) - how much of the original actually exists & is all assembled into the same locomotive ? oh gawd please not again it’s been done to death previously 1 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zomboid Posted June 19, 2021 Share Posted June 19, 2021 Like it or not, it's the biggest celebrity steam loco in the UK. Using it as the flagship for the national collection seems an entirely reasonable thing to do, as it's one of the few that the general public recognise and get excited about. Mallard is probably the only competition in public recognition terms, and that's far too valuable to risk in the wild. And yes, a worn out locomotive (as it was when bought for the national collection) is expensive to fix properly, but that's steam engines for you. 2 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grizz Posted June 19, 2021 Share Posted June 19, 2021 Mmmm you’re right about the public loving it. But why not build a replica and thrash that about instead. They did it with Rocket…..if it is sooooooooo valuable then stop damaging it and use a replica, most Normals wouldn’t know the difference anyway. They don’t know Tornado is new…. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grizz Posted June 19, 2021 Share Posted June 19, 2021 Flying Scotsman was known as Scrapheap Challenge back in the early 2000s because when we used to marshal for it, we never knew if we were going to get back home again…. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Mallard60022 Posted June 19, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted June 19, 2021 (edited) Usual no knowledge people slagging off a piece of history. If you can't say something positive then scroll on and play marbles. It was failed at Retford , Babworth Loop where it usually stops for water. RM says lack of steam raising caused issues and most probably duff coal rather than mechanical. Once it was failed the response from WCR at York and NR was rapid and efficient. If you want to mention money pits then think Track and Trace, PPE and overrated footballers along with crap overspend on building projects. Edited June 19, 2021 by Mallard60022 7 11 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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