Steamport Southport Posted November 8, 2021 Share Posted November 8, 2021 Recording sound for a BR 4MT 2-6-4T is probably just for the Stanier tank. The only Stanier 2-6-4 tank that survives is the 3 cylinder version in the NRM which hasn't steamed since 1962. Jason 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Markwj Posted November 8, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 8, 2021 2 hours ago, adb968008 said: Just took another look.. its not a 201.. that roofline is not a 201. I realise this will sound daft but could it be the older model or another manufacturers model carefully placed to wind us and the others up? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold MikeParkin65 Posted November 8, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 8, 2021 3 hours ago, Steamport Southport said: Recording sound for a BR 4MT 2-6-4T is probably just for the Stanier tank. The only Stanier 2-6-4 tank that survives is the 3 cylinder version in the NRM which hasn't steamed since 1962. Jason Pedantic I know but it did steam at Bressingham in the 1970’s. When Steve Jones was head of the NRM there was talk of restoring it for short haul mainline use but it came to nothing unfortunately. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NTrains Posted November 8, 2021 Share Posted November 8, 2021 (edited) In response to the class 59/201 debate, Just going to leave this image with a picture of a box behind the DVT that looks to have Class 59/66 written on it… Edited November 8, 2021 by NTrains Additional clarification Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium newbryford Posted November 9, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 9, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, NTrains said: In response to the class 59/201 debate, Just going to leave this image with a picture of a box behind the DVT that looks to have Class 59/66 written on it… Wouldn't surprise me if they stick 59 numbers on a 66 moulding....... (Waits for 69001/002 on a 56) Edited November 9, 2021 by newbryford 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolf27 Posted November 9, 2021 Share Posted November 9, 2021 15 hours ago, BR Blue said: It looks like JHAs or similar bogies hoppers beside it. If Hornby are doing a new 59 we should know in early January. Edited Looking at a better picture further on in the thread, definitely not JHAs or anything similar. Those wagons are LMS brake vans 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold jonnyuk Posted November 9, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 9, 2021 its like the good old days of the engine shed, lets play detective, all rather exiting. in the above pic there is an EP of an A4 or something similar, if it was for the W1 range then this must of been filmed along time ago. I don't see Hornby doing a new 59, Dapol are well advanced with theirs, surely bigger fish to fry. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold BR Blue Posted November 9, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 9, 2021 It is probably just a TTS sound fitted version of the existing Hornby ex-Lima 59. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium spamcan61 Posted November 9, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 9, 2021 1 hour ago, jonnyuk said: I don't see Hornby doing a new 59, Dapol are well advanced with theirs, surely bigger fish to fry. I wouldn't be so sure, they obviously aren't afraid to duplicate competitors' forthcoming releases and Dapol l have spent an age on their 59. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium spamcan61 Posted November 9, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 9, 2021 (edited) 2 hours ago, jonnyuk said: I don't see Hornby doing a new 59, Dapol are well advanced with theirs, surely bigger fish to fry. I wouldn't be so sure, they obviously aren't afraid to duplicate competitors' forthcoming releases and Dapol have spent an age on their 59. Edited November 9, 2021 by spamcan61 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold adb968008 Posted November 9, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 9, 2021 (edited) 9 hours ago, jonnyuk said: I don't see Hornby doing a new 59, Dapol are well advanced with theirs, surely bigger fish to fry. Sadly a 61xx, Terrier speaks differently. And actions on 66, LN, 9F suggest they’ll take on anyone, they also several times stated certain models are “theres”. Maybe they are adding smoke to it, like the LN ? But then smoke without lights… might as well make a new one. The old Railroad 59/66 have been around for years, and are just fine, So If there was no tooling activity, why would they need an EP ? - any testing, just take a stock one off the shelf… just like with the smoke & LN in episode 1. Also that K1 and 87 thats in nearly every shot taken on those test tracks since the beginning. I dont think the box means as much as the Grey EP, 66623 was one of their railroad releases last year… https://www.hattons.co.uk/538972/hornby_r3922_po_class_66_66623_in_freightliner_g_w_orange_pre_owned_like_new/stockdetail no clues in last nights episode, though seeing D400 / 50015 on the repairs layout keeps my faith alive that there is still one modern image fan in that building somewhere. Edited November 9, 2021 by adb968008 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wombatofludham Posted November 9, 2021 Share Posted November 9, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, adb968008 said: Sadly a 61xx, Terrier speaks differently. And actions on 66, LN, 9F suggest they’ll take on anyone, they also several times stated certain models are “theres”. Their aggressive territorial leg-cocking activities are directed in the main to steam. Their Class 66 fest was aimed at a completely different market with an old Lima model aimed at pocket-money buyers in modern liveries - it was never going to be a contender in the Bachmann-Hattons end of the market. Direct toe to toe aggressive defence of what they see as "their" models, on a like for like basis, have been the disgraceful "Terriergate" and Liverpool and Manchester 3rd open taking on "Rails", that GWR thing versus Dapol, and the 4MT, some Southern thing and the 9F against Bachmann. The only real piece of territory marking in the non-steam arena I can think of, where we are comparing hi-fi models was the "Cavalex" project for a 91 and Mk4. However, when you look at other non-steam outline models which have been "natural" Triang-Hornby or Lima territory they've largely left the market to Bachmann, Heljan and the new startups: Class 37 - has been in the Triang and Lima ranges since Methusulah was tadpole in his dad's happy sacks, yet Bachmann and Accurascale have swooped in and taken the serious end of the market, leaving Hornby with the pocket money Railroad model. Class 47 - was a key part of the Triang-Hornby, and Lima ranges for years but again has been largely taken by Heljan and Bachmann Class 25 - originally a Hornby release in the 1970s. Again Heljan, Bachmann and Sutton have various models at differing price points and Hornby have let this key part of their territory be taken by others. Met-Cam DMU: Remember the R158 of the 1960s? Whilst Hornby do continue to produce the ex-Lima model which above the solebar isn't bad, but again Bachmann have snatched the market. Class 86 - a headline model back when I was at secondary school over 40 years ago. Heljan have swooped in. Twice. Class 90. Bachmann have this market, with Hornby relegating their model to Railroad. And, in a delicious bit of ironic revenge - their admittedly not bad new-ish Class 56 has now been overtaken by Cavalex's new announcement, and in the process, stolen my pre-order. There are others. The point is they didn't aggressively defend "their" territory on a myriad range of non-steam models, and when they do attempt to upgrade things, like the 31 and 50, then have a chaotic and ill thought out livery range which leaves them vulnerable to a sniping from a smaller outfit with a better understanding of the prototypes, like Cavalex and Accurascale. Their 31 and 50 are especially vulnerable to a dawn raid by Accurascale in my view. To be honest, I wouldn't be surprised if they are doing a new "Shed" just because they see it as "theirs" (having bought the range from Lima of course) but if they do, it will no doubt go down like a bucket of cold vomit compared to whatever they see as the competition. I think that ship has sailed, and it all just adds to the general perception that Hornby either don't understand, or are somewhat dismissive of, the non-steam modelling market. Edited November 9, 2021 by wombatofludham Heljan aren't Lima and never will be 2 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
InterCity80s Posted November 9, 2021 Share Posted November 9, 2021 24 minutes ago, wombatofludham said: Class 90. Bachmann have this market, with Hornby relegating their model to Railroad. Simon Kohler said in an interview a while back that they had intended to re-tool the Class 90 but abandoned it when Bachmann announced theirs. From a consumer's perspective I guess that's worked out okay as we now have the option of the more detailed Bachmann at a higher price or the more basic Hornby model for the more budget conscious. Given the relatively small number of viable diesel/electric models (compared to steam), is it inevitable that we are going to see more duplication in the years to come? 1 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold adb968008 Posted November 9, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 9, 2021 (edited) On 09/11/2021 at 19:12, InterCity80s said: is it inevitable that we are going to see more duplication in the years to come? Plenty of duplication here…. excluding prototypes, heres my stab at it (i’m sure ive missed one). based on original tooling, not subsequent owners of that tooling () indicates subsequent users of that tooling. * indicates not yet available. 01 - 0 02- Heljan* 03 - Mainline (Replica, Bachmann), Bachmann 04 - Bachmann 05 - Heljan 06 - Hornby 07 - Heljan 08 - Triang (Hornby), Hornby, Bachmann, Hornby 09 - Lima, Hornby 10 - 0 11 - MR/Heljan* 12 - MR/Heljan* 13 - proposed - Rapido* 14 - Heljan 15 - Heljan 16 - Heljan 17 - Heljan 20 - Hornby Dublo, Lima (Hornby), Bachmann, Bachmann 21 - Dapol + Jouef/Playcraft HO 22 - Dapol 23 - Heljan 24 - Bachmann, SLW, Bachmann - also 24/1 SLW*, Bachmann 25 - Hornby, + Bachmann, SLW*, Heljan, Bachmann*, Heljan - 25/2/3also variants also Bachmann, SLW* 26 - Lima, Heljan 27 - Lima, Heljan 28 - Dublo, Heljan 29 - Hornby, Dapol 30 - Lima (Hornby) , Hornby 31 - Triang (Hornby), Airfix (Dapol, Hornby), Lima (Hornby), Hornby 33 - Lima (Hornby), Heljan (Heljan 33/1/2) + Lima HO 35 - Triang(Hornby), Heljan (Efe Rail) 37 - Triang (Hornby), Lima(Hornby), Bachmann, Vitrains, Bachmann, Accurascale*. 40 - Jouef, Lima(Hornby), Bachmann, Bachmann 41 - Kernow 42 - Mainline ( Bachmann) + Fleischmann HO 43 - Bachmann HST43 - Hornby, Lima, Hornby 44 - Bachmann 45 - Mainline, Replica(45/1), Bachmann, 45/1 Heljan* 46 - Bachmann, Bachmann 47 - Hornby, Lima(Hornby), Heljan, Bachmann, Vitrains, Bachmann*, Heljan* 48 - Model Rail* 50 - Lima, Hornby 52 - Trix, Hornby, Lima, Heljan, Dapol 55 - Hornby Dublo, Lima(Hornby), Bachmann, Accurascale* 56 - Airfix(Mainline, Dapol, Hornby), Hornby, Cavalex* 57 - Bachmann ( 47 renumbered doesnt count) 58 - Hornby, Heljan(Efe Rail) 59 - Lima(Hornby), Dapol* 60 - Lima, Hornby 66 - Lima(Hornby), Bachmann, Hattons + Mehano, Heljan and ESU in HO. 67 - Lima(Hornby), Hornby 68 - Dapol 69 - Bachmann 70 - Bachmann electrics.. 71 - Hornby, DJModels 73 - Lima(Hornby), Dapol , 73/9 proposed KMS/Accurascale* 76 - Heljan + Trix HO 77 - Triang, Heljan 81 - Trix, Triang 82 - 0 83 - 0 84 - 0 85 - Bachmann 86 - Hornby, Heljan 87 - Lima(Hornby), Hornby 88 - 0 89 - Proposed Rails/Accurascale* 90 - Hornby, Bachmann 91 - Hornby, Hornby* 92 - Lima, Hornby 93 - Revolution* 94 - 0 (class is still a rumour, tbc). my opinion on it…all hypothetical. considering the 2020’s railway is mostly classes > class 57, Hornby has a play in most of those diesels. If I was asked to pick a 2020’s diesel that wasnt already oversold in super detail, 59,69,70 stand out, as the 69 is taken then its a toss between 59 and 70, of the two a 59 has far more liveries and a much smaller competitor to beat up, and although a new tooling not released, its already a few years older, it might even be an opex vs a capex investment as its an existing product. Who knows, it might even just be a 15 year old EP someone found in the store and decided to have a play with and left in the shot. Edited November 11, 2021 by adb968008 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold jonnyuk Posted November 10, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 10, 2021 maybe Hornby feel they cannot go toe to toe with say Accurascale (maybe won't touch Bachmann as they are another elder statesmen in the hobby) in terms of quality and detail (even though we are yet to see a loco because of numerous delays), where as with Dapol they feel they can and win. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wombatofludham Posted November 10, 2021 Share Posted November 10, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, jonnyuk said: maybe Hornby feel they cannot go toe to toe with say Accurascale (maybe won't touch Bachmann as they are another elder statesmen in the hobby) in terms of quality and detail (even though we are yet to see a loco because of numerous delays), where as with Dapol they feel they can and win. Irish Railway Models (Accurascale's Irish "Parent Company") have delivered the Metro-Vick "A" Class loco which has had brilliant reviews, so I expect those awaiting the Deltic will have no concerns. I'm looking forward to my two pre-ordered Class 37s based on their "A" class. Thing is if Hornby were so fixated on "defending "their" models" in the way they do certain steam outline stuff they would be piling in with a 37 and 47 at the very least, but they don't, and in the long term, when all the silver kettle collectors are six feet under and the bubble for pretty little steamers to stick in a cabinet bursts, which it will do (for my generation forward steam is a funfair ride, and we have no experience of it as prime motive power so are less likely to want to model it) Hornby will be left with just their trainset market, in which admittedly they are certainly the market leader, and will that be enough to keep the company going? Edited November 10, 2021 by wombatofludham 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Br60066 Posted November 10, 2021 Share Posted November 10, 2021 Class 58 surely is an option as well for retooling. This always was a Hornby mainstay before the Heljan model came out. Lets be honest the Heljan model is nice but could be improved. If Hornby don't announce a retooling soon then it feels like a model Accurascale will be all over as soon as the deltic lands. Would go great with their HAA offering now that class 56 is taken by Cavalax. Feels like a case of announce it or lose it for Hornby. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
frobisher Posted November 10, 2021 Share Posted November 10, 2021 14 hours ago, adb968008 said: 57 - Bachmann ( 47 renumbered doesnt count) The Bachmann 57 was tooled before their 47 (hence the some of the first 47s having 57 features). It was Heljan who produced a renumbered 47 as a 57. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold adb968008 Posted November 10, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 10, 2021 (edited) 29 minutes ago, frobisher said: The Bachmann 57 was tooled before their 47 (hence the some of the first 47s having 57 features). It was Heljan who produced a renumbered 47 as a 57. (Its Lima and Hornby I was thinking of), didnt realise Heljan are guilty too. Edited November 10, 2021 by adb968008 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
norfolkchinaclay Posted November 10, 2021 Share Posted November 10, 2021 (edited) Based on the poor execution of the recent GBRF class 50s (ie obviously wrong shade of blue, missing snowploughs and etched nameplates) and what Hornby are doing now with the latest class 60 versions (ie cutting corners, omitting detail pack parts) it does not bode well for any new D&E tooling that they might produce. Do we really want them to produce more inferior models? My class 50 is a lovely smooth runner but externally it is a let down out of the box. I hope they can up their game and match the newcomers to the market but there is no current evidence to suggest Hornby want to compete by offering a quality D&E product, or really care beyond the Railroad/train set market or collectors who just buy the box not the product inside it. Edited November 10, 2021 by norfolkchinaclay Typo 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
norfolkchinaclay Posted November 10, 2021 Share Posted November 10, 2021 (edited) 4 hours ago, frobisher said: The Bachmann 57 was tooled before their 47 (hence the some of the first 47s having 57 features). It was Heljan who produced a renumbered 47 as a 57. Im still looking forward to Bachmann (hopefully) producing their 57/0 in the more recent DRS Compass livery as per 57002/003/007 - photo added below. ***update*** cl37lg currently have a few sound fitted and DCC ready of 57009 at very good prices on their ebay page! Edited November 10, 2021 by norfolkchinaclay Photo added and comment updated Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
scouse889 Posted November 10, 2021 Share Posted November 10, 2021 1 hour ago, norfolkchinaclay said: Based on the poor execution of the recent GBRF class 50s (ie obviously wrong shade of blue, missing snowploughs and etched nameplates) and what Hornby are doing now with the latest class 60 versions (ie cutting corners, omitting detail pack parts) it does not bode well for any new D&E tooling that they might produce. Do we really want them to produce more inferior models? My class 50 is a lovely smooth runner but externally it is a let down out of the box. I hope they can up their game and match the newcomers to the market but there is no current evidence to suggest Hornby want to compete by offering a quality D&E product, or really care beyond the Railroad/train set market or collectors who just buy the box not the product inside it. Really sad when it gets to the stage where people don’t want a manufacturer to produce a model because of poor QC, but this really is an issue for Hornby. Look at the comments in the APT thread - one of *the* models (if not *the* model) which defined Hornby’s centenary range - afflicted with light bleed, capacitors visible through the windows, issues with the bogies (none of these my comments, all made by others - I don’t own an APT), and over a grand MRP for a full 14 car train. I really wish they would do something to sort their QC issues. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
phil gollin Posted November 10, 2021 Share Posted November 10, 2021 16 hours ago, adb968008 said: Plenty of duplication here…. excluding prototypes, heres my stab at it (i’m sure ive missed one). based on original tooling, not subsequent owners of that tooling () indicates subsequent users of that tooling. * indicates not yet available. 01 - 0 02- Heljan* 03 - Mainline (Replica, Bachmann), Bachmann 04 - Bachmann 05 - Heljan 06 - Hornby 07 - Heljan 08 - Triang (Hornby), Hornby, Bachmann, Hornby 09 - Lima, Hornby 10 - 0 11 - MR/Heljan* 12 - MR/Heljan* 13 - proposed - Rapido* 14 - Heljan 15 - Heljan 16 - Heljan 17 - Heljan 20 - Hornby Dublo, Lima (Hornby), Bachmann, Bachmann 21 - Dapol 22 - Dapol 23 - Heljan 24 - Bachmann, SLW, Bachmann - also 24/1 SLW*, Bachmann 25 - Hornby, + Bachmann, SLW*, Heljan, Bachmann*, Heljan - 25/2/3also variants also Bachmann, SLW* 26 - Lima, Heljan 27 - Lima, Heljan 28 - Dublo, Heljan 29 - Dapol 30 - Lima (Hornby) , Hornby 31 - Triang (Hornby), Airfix (Dapol, Hornby), Lima (Hornby), Hornby 33 - Lima (Hornby), Heljan (Heljan 33/1/2) + Lima HO 35 - Triang(Hornby), Heljan 37 - Triang (Hornby), Lima(Hornby), Bachmann, Vitrains, Bachmann, Accurascale*. 40 - Jouef, Lima(Hornby), Bachmann, Bachmann 41 - Kernow 42 - Mainline ( Bachmann) + Fleischmann HO 43 - Bachmann HST43 - Hornby, Lima, Hornby 44 - Bachmann 45 - Mainline, Replica(45/1), Bachmann, 45/1 Heljan* 46 - Bachmann, Bachmann 47 - Hornby, Lima(Hornby), Heljan, Bachmann, Vitrains, Bachmann*, Heljan* 48 - Model Rail* 50 - Lima, Hornby 52 - Trix, Hornby, Lima, Heljan, Dapol 55 - Hornby Dublo, Lima(Hornby), Bachmann, Accurascale* 56 - Airfix(Mainline, Dapol, Hornby), Hornby, Cavalex* 57 - Bachmann ( 47 renumbered doesnt count) 58 - Hornby, Heljan 59 - Lima(Hornby), Dapol* 60 - Lima, Hornby 66 - Lima(Hornby), Bachmann, Hattons + Mehano, Heljan and ESU in HO. 67 - Lima(Hornby), Hornby 68 - Dapol 69 - Bachmann 70 - Bachmann electrics.. 71 - Hornby, DJModels 73 - Lima(Hornby), Dapol , 73/9 proposed KMS/Accurascale* 76 - Heljan + Trix HO 77 - Triang, Heljan 81 - Trix, Triang 82 - 0 83 - 0 84 - 0 85 - Bachmann 86 - Hornby, Heljan 87 - Lima(Hornby), Hornby 88 - 0 89 - Proposed Rails/Accurascale* 90 - Hornby, Bachmann 91 - Hornby, Hornby* 92 - Lima, Hornby 93 - Revolution* 94 - 0 (class is still a rumour, tbc). my opinion on it…all hypothetical. considering the 2020’s railway is mostly classes > class 57, Hornby has a play in most of those diesels. If I was asked to pick a 2020’s diesel that wasnt already oversold in super detail, 59,69,70 stand out, as the 69 is taken then its a toss between 59 and 70, of the two a 59 has far more liveries and a much smaller competitor to beat up, and although a new tooling not released, its already a few years older, it might even be an opex vs a capex investment as its an existing product. Who knows, it might even just be a 15 year old EP someone found in the store and decided to have a play with and left in the shot. . You missed out the Class 70 DC Electric locos (which OO manufacturers also have). . Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steamport Southport Posted November 10, 2021 Share Posted November 10, 2021 18 hours ago, adb968008 said: Plenty of duplication here…. excluding prototypes, heres my stab at it (i’m sure ive missed one). based on original tooling, not subsequent owners of that tooling () indicates subsequent users of that tooling. * indicates not yet available. 01 - 0 02- Heljan* 03 - Mainline (Replica, Bachmann), Bachmann 04 - Bachmann 05 - Heljan 06 - Hornby 07 - Heljan 08 - Triang (Hornby), Hornby, Bachmann, Hornby 09 - Lima, Hornby 10 - 0 11 - MR/Heljan* 12 - MR/Heljan* 13 - proposed - Rapido* 14 - Heljan 15 - Heljan 16 - Heljan 17 - Heljan 20 - Hornby Dublo, Lima (Hornby), Bachmann, Bachmann 21 - Dapol 22 - Dapol 23 - Heljan 24 - Bachmann, SLW, Bachmann - also 24/1 SLW*, Bachmann 25 - Hornby, + Bachmann, SLW*, Heljan, Bachmann*, Heljan - 25/2/3also variants also Bachmann, SLW* 26 - Lima, Heljan 27 - Lima, Heljan 28 - Dublo, Heljan 29 - Dapol 30 - Lima (Hornby) , Hornby 31 - Triang (Hornby), Airfix (Dapol, Hornby), Lima (Hornby), Hornby 33 - Lima (Hornby), Heljan (Heljan 33/1/2) + Lima HO 35 - Triang(Hornby), Heljan 37 - Triang (Hornby), Lima(Hornby), Bachmann, Vitrains, Bachmann, Accurascale*. 40 - Jouef, Lima(Hornby), Bachmann, Bachmann 41 - Kernow 42 - Mainline ( Bachmann) + Fleischmann HO 43 - Bachmann HST43 - Hornby, Lima, Hornby 44 - Bachmann 45 - Mainline, Replica(45/1), Bachmann, 45/1 Heljan* 46 - Bachmann, Bachmann 47 - Hornby, Lima(Hornby), Heljan, Bachmann, Vitrains, Bachmann*, Heljan* 48 - Model Rail* 50 - Lima, Hornby 52 - Trix, Hornby, Lima, Heljan, Dapol 55 - Hornby Dublo, Lima(Hornby), Bachmann, Accurascale* 56 - Airfix(Mainline, Dapol, Hornby), Hornby, Cavalex* 57 - Bachmann ( 47 renumbered doesnt count) 58 - Hornby, Heljan 59 - Lima(Hornby), Dapol* 60 - Lima, Hornby 66 - Lima(Hornby), Bachmann, Hattons + Mehano, Heljan and ESU in HO. 67 - Lima(Hornby), Hornby 68 - Dapol 69 - Bachmann 70 - Bachmann electrics.. 71 - Hornby, DJModels 73 - Lima(Hornby), Dapol , 73/9 proposed KMS/Accurascale* 76 - Heljan + Trix HO 77 - Triang, Heljan 81 - Trix, Triang 82 - 0 83 - 0 84 - 0 85 - Bachmann 86 - Hornby, Heljan 87 - Lima(Hornby), Hornby 88 - 0 89 - Proposed Rails/Accurascale* 90 - Hornby, Bachmann 91 - Hornby, Hornby* 92 - Lima, Hornby 93 - Revolution* 94 - 0 (class is still a rumour, tbc). my opinion on it…all hypothetical. considering the 2020’s railway is mostly classes > class 57, Hornby has a play in most of those diesels. If I was asked to pick a 2020’s diesel that wasnt already oversold in super detail, 59,69,70 stand out, as the 69 is taken then its a toss between 59 and 70, of the two a 59 has far more liveries and a much smaller competitor to beat up, and although a new tooling not released, its already a few years older, it might even be an opex vs a capex investment as its an existing product. Who knows, it might even just be a 15 year old EP someone found in the store and decided to have a play with and left in the shot. Anything over 25 to 30 years or so old should be ignored as they are totally irrelevant to the discussion. Are we really suggesting that ancient Triang, Jouef and Trix models are in any way relevant to a modeller or RTR purchaser in 2022? Even Mainline, Lima and Airfix are borderline. Jason 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold McC Posted November 10, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 10, 2021 19 hours ago, adb968008 said: 92 - Lima, Hornby - Accurascale* https://accurascale.co.uk/collections/british-rail-class-92 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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