Bachmann announce NEW Class 47

[TomScrut]

15 minutes ago, Global said:

one to hide the fact the side windows are too low

 

The thing I do not understand in this day and age is why they wouldn't scan one when the prototype is still out and about. Yes it still needs recreating in CAD but even having the point cloud to use as a reference would be amazingly useful for checking things were in the right place IMO.

[Mophead45143]

12 hours ago, The 158 Man said:

I'll wait until I've seen the new model up close but from the pictures the snowploughs do let the overall look down. They look very toylike compared with the rest that looks exquisite.

 

Some black paint to hide the little yellow bits that join the ploughs together, and a coat of warning yellow will probably help the look. But it is a shame they're not body mounted...

 

47s always look a bit odd with snowploughs anyway (Scottish variants aside), whereas I've always thought 37s look unfinished without them! Funny old world.

 

But of the first run, it's only 47004 that actually carried snow ploughs whilst in the condition being modelled. Even then, it still spent some time in construction livery without them. 

 

But I agree, that doesn't mean they couldn't have done a better job on them, especially given the spec of the rest of the model.

 

Cameron

[43179]

On 12/09/2021 at 22:12, rob D2 said:

Actually looking at that front view it seems they are still going with the old cut out slots in front for buffer beam steps , didn't work so well on original ( step either stuck to body or buffer beam or one of each ) . Dunno why they  persisted with it again , can a step not be moulded just on buffer beam like real thing ?

I agree -  Vitrains moulded the setps on ,  they looked neat enough , and not overscale .   Separately fitted parts for the sake of it , aren't always necessarily better/more accurate.

 

Jon 

[aureol40012]

Today at the GCR.

[design8027]

On 03/08/2021 at 21:09, AY Mod said:

 

A BRAND NEW BRUSH FROM Bachmann BRANCHLINE

 

In a surprise announcement ahead of its Autumn 2021 British Railway Announcements, Bachmann Europe Plc today revealed that it has developed all-new models of the iconic Brush Type 4, Class 47 Diesel Locomotives for its Bachmann Branchline OO scale range.

 

Owing nothing to its predecessors, development of the new Bachmann Branchline Class 47 began several years ago and, using original drawings, diagrams, site visits and surveys of real locomotives, Bachmann has created an unrivalled model of British Rail’s most prolific first generation mainline diesel locomotive. In a comprehensive video presentation, Bachmann Europe’s Production Development Manager, Dave Parsons joined Richard Proudman, Communications Manager, to discuss the project in great detail, showcasing the extensive suite of tooling that has been developed in order to produce accurate models of the majority of the 512-strong fleet throughout their working lives – a breath-taking endeavour considering the Class has been active for 59 years and counting.

 

Bachmann have long led the way in bringing new innovations to the British market and the Class 47 continues this trend with the introduction of a motorised fan system – the first of its type ever seen on a British-outline, OO scale model. The twin radiator fans, a prominent feature of the Class 47 when viewed from above, are operated by a dedicated motor, with fan rotation configured within the DCC decoder to provide rotation of both fans when the model is operated on either DCC and analogue control.

 

This ground-breaking feature adds to the already impressive specification which includes a new Dual Fitted speaker system for authentic sound reproduction and extensive lighting features including engine room lighting, all of which can be controlled independently when operated on DCC. Movement is provided by the five pole motor which is fitted with twin flywheels, driving all axles and with electrical pickup from all wheels. Each axle runs in a pair of separate metal bearings, located in the diecast metal bogie towers which are fitted to the diecast metal chassis block, resulting in a total weight for the finished model that is some 10% greater than its predecessor.

 

Every Class 47 offered will be produced in three formats, with standard versions ready for use on analogue control out of the box and with a Plux22 DCC decoder socket for those consumers wishing to fit their own DCC decoder. SOUND FITTED models will also be offered and these versions are pre-fitted with a ESU Loksound V5 DCC Decoder, whilst a new SOUND FITTED DELUXE format has been introduced for those models that feature the new motorised fan system. In addition, the SOUND FITTED DELUXE specification includes windscreen glazing that has been treated with a specialist technique to replicate the tinting seen on the prototype. Like all Bachmann products, SOUND FITTED and SOUND FITTED DELUXE models will operate on both DCC and analogue control straight out of the box. When used on analogue control, a range of authentic sound effects can be enjoyed when power is applied, including a convincing engine start up procedure before the model moves – along with randomised rotation of the motorised fans on SOUND FITTED DELUXE versions.

 

David Haarhaus, Managing Director of Bachmann Europe Plc said: “We strive to ensure that our customers, your local retailers, continue to purchase contemporary Bachmann models manufactured to the highest definition available today. We shall always review our existing portfolio, revisit previous subjects and where commercially viable invest in an updated Branchline or Graham Farish product. This is a well established policy here at Barwell, illustrated by the complete retooling of our N scale range and the replacement of many elderly OO scale items such as the J72 and Jubilee, alongside complete ranges of coaches and wagons as witnessed with the Thompson coaches to name just one.”

 

David continued: “The 2021 Class 20 and Class 24 are completely new models in every detail. We hope our brand new Class 47, with the backing of the Bachmann Branchline brand, will light up the shelves and display cases of our customers around the world for many years to come.”

 

With production of the first batch of models complete, details of the locomotives that will be arriving with Bachmann retailers this Autumn will be unveiled in the Autumn 2021 British Railway Announcements which premieres on YouTube at 0930 on Wednesday 4th August 2021.

 

Bachmann BRANCHLINE – ALL-NEW OO SCALE CLASS 47 SPECIFICATION

 

The all-new Bachmann Branchline OO Scale Class 47 Diesel Locomotive features an unprecedented level of detail and technical features, details of which are as follows:

 

Mechanism:

- Five pole, twin shaft motor with two flywheels providing drive to both bogies

- All axle drive

- Electrical pickup from all wheels

- Separate metal bearings fitted to each axle

- Diecast metal chassis block and bogie towers

- Diecast metal gearboxes, with gearing arranged for prototypical running speeds and haulage capabilities

- 16.5mm (OO gauge) wheels to NEM310 & NEM311 standards with authentic profile and detailing

- Detachable coupling pockets to NEM362 standards fitted to each bogie

- Designed to operate on curves of second radius (438mm) or greater

Detailing:

- Brush-built and Crewe-built locomotives portrayed

- Options for Original or Cut-Cab body style

- Bogies constructed from multiple components featuring full relief detail

- Rotating radiator fans, driven by an independent motor and gearbox, operated via a DCC function, or randomised when operated as part of the sound project on DCC and Analogue control (SOUND FITTED DELUXE models only)

- Tinted windscreen glazing (SOUND FITTED DELUXE models only)

- Separately applied metal detail parts, including grab handles, windscreen wipers and etched fan grilles

- Sprung metal buffers

- Each model supplied with a full set of decorated, model-specific bufferbeam pipework and accessory parts

Lighting:

- Directional lighting, switchable on/off at either end on DCC or Analogue control

- Cab lighting, assigned to two DCC functions for separate switching of each

- Separately switched Engine Room lighting

- Authentic light colours and temperatures selected for each model based on era and application DCC: - Plux22 DCC decoder interface 

Sound:

- Two quality speakers employed for optimum sound reproduction, fitted to every model as standard

- ESU Loksound V5DCC Sound Decoder fitted to SOUND FITTED and SOUND FITTED DELUXE versions

- Sound files produced specifically for the Bachmann Branchline Class 47 using recordings from real locomotives

- SOUND FITTED and SOUND FITTED DELUXE models operate on DCC and Analogue control as supplied. On Analogue, an authentic engine start up sequence, including the momentary dimming of all lights during engine start up, and running sounds are produced when power is applied

Livery Application:

- Authentic liveries applied to all models - Multiple paint applications employed on each model using BR specification colours

- Logos, numerals and text added as appropriate using multi-stage tampo printing using authentic typefaces, logos and colours

- Etched metal nameplates, symbols and plaques included where appropriate

Detail Variants:

Countless variations are catered for to allow accurate models to be produced depending on the locomotive being portrayed, options include:

- Headcode panel arrangements from as-built to current-day

- Radiator Grilles

- Roof exhaust cover

- Steam Heat Boiler Ports/blanks

- Cab roof vents - Cab mounted aerial

- Windscreen Wipers

- Cab Door Kickplates

- Headlights, both Scottish ‘Car’ and High Intensity versions

- ETH Equipment

- Multi-operation jumper sockets

- TDM jumpers

- Class 47/7 multiple working jumpers and cooling pipes

- Fuel and Water Tank arrangements

- Water Tank fillers

- Buffers

- Bogie-mounted cab steps

- Speedo Drives

 

35-410 OO Class 47/0 D1565 BR Two-Tone Green (Small Yellow Panels) £239.95
35-410SF OO Class 47/0 D1565 BR Two-Tone Green (Small Yellow Panels) £339.95
35-410SFX OO Class 47/0 D1565 BR Two-Tone Green (Small Yellow Panels) £369.95

35-411 OO Class 47/0 47012 BR Blue £239.95
35-411SF OO Class 47/0 47012 BR Blue £339.95
35-411SFX OO Class 47/0 47012 BR Blue £369.95

35-413 OO Class 47/4 47828 BR InterCity (Swallow) £239.95
35-413SF OO Class 47/4 47828 BR InterCity (Swallow) £339.95
35-413SFX OO Class 47/4 47828 BR InterCity (Swallow) £369.95

35-418 OO Class 47/0 47004 BR Railfreight Construction Sector £239.95
35-418SF OO Class 47/0 47004 BR Railfreight Construction Sector £339.95
35-418SFX OO Class 47/0 47004 BR Railfreight Construction Sector £369.95

35-419 OO Class 47/3 47375 'Tinsley Traction Depot' BR RF Distribution European £239.95
35-419SF OO Class 47/3 47375 'Tinsley Traction Depot' BR RF Distribution European £339.95
35-419SFX OO Class 47/3 47375 'Tinsley Traction Depot' BR RF Distribution European £369.95

Hope it goes well. Two small things, please do some models with short nameplates on models for the easy renaming/numbering of models and produce underframe boxes/tanks as spare parts.......

[TomScrut]

Was there one of these at GETS on the layout on one of the balconies run by HM? I saw a 47 with sound, and what looked like the window tint effect and I thought it looked good from what I could see. I am just surprised if it was that I hadn't heard about it. Saturday late morning I was there. Would have been a D1565 if it was.

Edited October 3, 2021 by TomScrut

[adb968008]

I meant to add these earlier..

At Quorn the other week, took in a bit of a rush so not the best. 47828 is in its 1990’s guise.

 

 its not 2021 but dating it forwards isnt that hard..

also 47/7…

Edited October 5, 2021 by adb968008

[brushman47544]

7 hours ago, adb968008 said:

also 47/7…

Unfortunate that Bachmann has put 47711 in the cabinet that way round. Did you see if it had the extra pipe work above the underframe tanks, as per the catalogue photo? Personally I would prefer without as they appear to have been added soon  after  24 July 1982 when the photo below was taken.

 

By Paul Townsend on Flickr.

[adb968008]

Tbh I was kind of rushing past so only took a couple, I assume you mean the radiator cooling pipes outside by the battery boxes for push pull operation ?  I unfortunately didn't check.

[Matt]

I’m also curious on what they’ve done for headlight as I don’t believe 47711 carried a standard headlamp in LL - more of a car headlamp I think?

[Phil Bullock]

On 03/10/2021 at 22:17, TomScrut said:

Was there one of these at GETS on the layout on one of the balconies run by HM? I saw a 47 with sound, and what looked like the window tint effect and I thought it looked good from what I could see. I am just surprised if it was that I hadn't heard about it. Saturday late morning I was there. Would have been a D1565 if it was.

Yes indeed Tom it was on the DOGA Great Central layout 

[TomScrut]

40 minutes ago, Phil Bullock said:

Yes indeed Tom it was on the DOGA Great Central layout 

 

Thanks, I thought it was, unless someone had modelled the tint and the old one was a lot better than I remembered!

 

It looked and sounded good.

[Roy Langridge]

13 hours ago, adb968008 said:

Tbh I was kind of rushing past so only took a couple, I assume you mean the radiator cooling pipes outside by the battery boxes for push pull operation ?  I unfortunately didn't check.

 

12 hours ago, Matt said:

I’m also curious on what they’ve done for headlight as I don’t believe 47711 carried a standard headlamp in LL - more of a car headlamp I think?

 

These are the changes that have made me hold off ordering, so I am hoping somebody has an answer.

Roy

[pheaton]

5 hours ago, The 158 Man said:

 

That's certainly the impression I've had. It seems to have gained a 'proper' headlamp after being repainted (and refurbished?) into BR ScotRail livery.

 

An interesting choice by Bachmann IF they are producing the car style headlamp, and one that perhaps could mean we might get some similar adorned Scottish 37s and other oddities in the future? After all, if Accurascale can do it...

I might be wrong but i think 711 is the original tooling.....it was announced a while back...and i suspect it will be the incorrect headlight (for the livery)  All the Bachmann shots i have seen show it with the high intensity headlight....rather than the lucas rally special....

Edited October 6, 2021 by pheaton

[Waverley West]

3 minutes ago, pheaton said:

I might be wrong but i think 711 is the original tooling.....it was announced a while back...and i suspect it will be the incorrect headlight (for the livery)  All the Bachmann shots i have seen show it with the high intensity headlight....rather than the lucas rally special....

 

I've been informed by Mike Parsons of C&M Models that 47711 (along with all other as yet unreleased 47s) will be the latest tooling. I've not heard anything about the headlight situation, but I'd be surprised if Bachmann slapped a standard high intensity headlight on it, after all the effort they've gone to with their latest version.

[brushman47544]

What everyone seems to have failed to notice when I posted the photo of 47711 above is that the loco not only has the car headlight in LL livery but also has the round socket for connecting to Royal Train stock as well. I really can’t see that being included even if we get the car headlight, so arguably it will still be wrong!

[rob D2]

Interesting choice of prototype if it can’t be used for much else ?

[brushman47544]

54 minutes ago, rob D2 said:

Interesting choice of prototype if it can’t be used for much else ?

The 47/7s escaped Scotland and the E&G services from time to time as there were more locos than needed for the daily diagrams.

 

Kings Cross https://flic.kr/p/9Umpsf

Crewe https://flic.kr/p/9UmqC1

 

Incidentally, 47712 received the proper headlight whilst still in LL livery https://flic.kr/p/9UmqTN

 

Edited October 6, 2021 by brushman47544

[Global]

20 hours ago, The 158 Man said:

That INTERCITY one looks absolutely glorious. 

It does! They finally seem to have matched the colours (at least how I remember them!) compared to the previous efforts on 834/835 which always looked a bit off to me. 

[Matt]

55 minutes ago, brushman47544 said:

The 47/7s escaped Scotland and the E&G services from time to time as there were more locos than needed for the daily diagrams.

 

Kings Cross https://flic.kr/p/9Umpsf

Crewe https://flic.kr/p/9UmqC1

 

Incidentally, 47712 received the proper headlight whilst still in LL livery https://flic.kr/p/9UmqTN

 

interesting - i have never seen 711/712 in LL with a proper headlight before - had always assumed that upgrade was coincident with repaint.  Maybe someone can produce a shot of 711 similarly adorned?  I really hope they do the car lamp version as opens up 701-710 options in BR blue too which would be a "must buy" for me.  FWIW - correct headlamp on 711 = purchase, not = non purchase.  The Royal Train socket can be reasonably easily added but must admit to never noticing that before.  M

Edited October 6, 2021 by Matt
sp mistake

[Roy Langridge]

43 minutes ago, Matt said:

interesting - i have never seen 711/712 in LL with a proper headlight before - had always assumed that upgrade was coincident with repaint.  Maybe someone can produce a shot of 711 similarly adorned?  I really hope they do the car lamp version as opens up 701-710 options in BR blue too which would be a "must buy" for me.  FWIW - correct headlamp on 711 = purchase, not = non purchase.  The Royal Train socket can be reasonably easily added but must admit to never noticing that before.  M

 

47711 still had a car headlamp in mid-November 1984, and was released in Scotrail livery at the very start of December 1984, so I am fairly confident it never had a sealed-beam headlamp in large logo.

Roy

[pheaton]

1 hour ago, Roy Langridge said:

 

47711 still had a car headlamp in mid-November 1984, and was released in Scotrail livery at the very start of December 1984, so I am fairly confident it never had a sealed-beam headlamp in large logo.

Roy

Indeed can't find a photo of one in ll on class47.co.uk

[adb968008]

On 06/10/2021 at 15:26, pheaton said:

I might be wrong but i think 711 is the original tooling.....it was announced a while back...and i suspect it will be the incorrect headlight (for the livery)  All the Bachmann shots i have seen show it with the high intensity headlight....rather than the lucas rally special....

The model was of the new tooling, heres a few close ups revealing some extra fuel tank pipe work and engine room…

 

 

 

I didnt stay long enough to photograph the front as I was distracted by a baby sulzer…

[Dogmatix]

On 03/08/2021 at 13:37, 97403_Ixion said:

So many options, details and a couple of new ideas...  well done Bachmann!

With other manufacturers showing what they can do, it's good to see Bachmann attacking this loco class with similar levels of detail.

 

 

Indeed, so much thought has gone into this new version.... and yet:

 

Quote

- Detachable coupling pockets to NEM362 standards fitted to each bogie

 

... so no close-coupling mechanisms. Hornby have this feature on a number of their diesels and electrics, SLW and Accurascale on theirs, and it is commonplace on continental HO, but Bachmann could not get their act together, and have spoiled the model for a ha'porth of plastic.

[AY Mod]

10 minutes ago, Dogmatix said:

but Bachmann could not get their act together, and have spoiled the model for a ha'porth of plastic.

 

Do we need attention-seeking hyperbole? Surely we've moved from such jibes in this day and age?