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Afternoon all,

 

After I sold my EM layout 'Mott's Lane', I have taken a break from layout building primarily due to not having a proper space for a layout. I've taken my time since and have decided that my next project will be a scale model of the former EWS depot in East London at Temple Mills. The layout will be 16ft in length by 3.5ft wide, split into four boards. I have ordered a cabin from Dunster house to house the layout - which is arriving on Friday. I'm looking for a long term project which will provide sufficient operational interest - which I think Temple Mills provides.

 

The prototype:

Given the EWS depot was so short lived (2001-2007 I believe) and it isn't around today, research has been quite a struggle. Flickr and Google earth have been life savers, with a combination of the two allowing me to design the track plan and the shed. I have embedded a few shots from Flickr below to give a feel for the prototype and what I am trying to achieve. All credit goes to the original posters from Flickr - please click the photos to see the original post

 

Temple Mills Depot

 

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Temple Mills Depot, East London

 

 

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One of the most interesting aspect of the prototype is that all of the track work it is flat bottom, and relatively new. My plan is to use Colin Craig's components and concrete sleepers from the ScaleFour society stores.

 

Track plan:

 

The design of the layout has been completed in Templot over a few evenings. Overall I'm very happy with how this has come out and I'm looking forward to seeing how it looks in the flesh once printed on A0. My plan is to get it etched into the baseboards then I can build the majority of the track in situ. As can be seen below I imported the screenshot from Google earth into Templot to trace:

 

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My plan is to use the Templot sleeper spacing for flat bottom concrete sleeper track combined with Colin Craig's point templates, which I've measured the prototype off of Google Earth. I intend to 3D print the common crossings in steel, and make the points from soldered copper clad construction. The plain concrete sleepers will be exactoscale concrete sleepers. 
 

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Depot building:

 

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I have designed the depot building using Inkscape (a free alternative to Illustrator), scaling/counting the bricks across the front of the building. This was then checked with the measurements from Google Earth. As you can see below the main elevations have all been drawn:

 

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I'm hoping to get these cut over the next few weeks so then I can build a mock up of the building to see how it all goes together. I have also designed internal walls, internal bracing and the roof, so hopefully it all goes together like one big kit. My idea is that this will then slot into the concrete hardstanding, which will hopefully be very solid, and act as a locater, so then it is easy to take the shed on and off.

 

Stock:

 

The main stock on the layout is going to be a mix of 08s, 37s, 60s, and 66s, which is perfect for modelling interests. My primary era for the layout is going to be 2003 to 2006, which should provide a nice variety of stock, both in the depot and the mainlines behind. 

 

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I have made a start on most of the 37s for the layout, which can be found on my workbench. The paid I'm currently working on can be seen above - 37516/517; both in Loadhaul. These use the Bachmann 37510 release in DRS as donors, combined with Penbits bogies as well as a host of Shawplan/Pete Harvey etches. I'm also planning some departmental stock for the layout, namely; 901001 (ex 101), 950001, mentor and a variety of other test trains/engineers stock to work from the yard.

 

I'll update the thread with stock and layout updates as I go. The log cabin for the layout gets delivered on Friday, so as soon as that is up I can get the boards sorted with Tim and get cracking.

 

Thanks for reading - more to come soon hopefully! Any recommendations or comments would be greatly appreciated.

 

Kind regards,


Will

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6 minutes ago, Captain Kernow said:

An interesting looking project.

 

So what happened to the depot and why did it close?

 


Thank you very much. I believe it was taken over by Eurostar as it was no longer required by EWS although happy to be proven wrong! 
 

There are a few shots of the demolition of the site on Flickr, like the below:

 

Demolition of the former EWS Diesel depot, Temple Mills, E10.  2007

 

Kind regards,

 

Will

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5 minutes ago, Southwich said:


Thank you very much. I believe it was taken over by Eurostar as it was no longer required by EWS although happy to be proven wrong! 
 

There are a few shots of the demolition of the site on Flickr, like the below:

 

Demolition of the former EWS Diesel depot, Temple Mills, E10.  2007

 

Kind regards,

 

Will

Looking at the plan in the ER volume of Quail, it would seem that the Eurostar depot is to the East of the EWS one, and there is no physical connection between them. Eurostar needed a depot site that was accessible from its new terminus at St Pancras. 

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1 minute ago, Fat Controller said:

Looking at the plan in the ER volume of Quail, it would seem that the Eurostar depot is to the East of the EWS one, and there is no physical connection between them. Eurostar needed a depot site that was accessible from its new terminus at St Pancras. 


Looking at Google earth on the time travel tool, my assumption was that the yard and depot were demolished entirely for the new Eurostar depot. Not sure if I’m correct but looks like the site as a whole (EWS depot and the yard) were both cleared and rebuilt? 
 

I think nowadays the site where the depot was is Orient Way carriage Sidings?
 

Kind regards,

 

Will

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2 hours ago, Southwich said:

Looking at Google earth on the time travel tool, my assumption was that the yard and depot were demolished entirely for the new Eurostar depot. Not sure if I’m correct but looks like the site as a whole (EWS depot and the yard) were both cleared and rebuilt? 
 

I think nowadays the site where the depot was is Orient Way carriage Sidings?
 

Kind regards,

 

Will

Orient Way was the replacement for Thornton Fields carriage sidings which were moved for the London Olympics.  I can’t remember timescales but 2007 is probably not far off the date that EWS would need to have moved on to achieve Olympic timescales.

Paul.

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20 hours ago, newbryford said:

Looks like a nice project and in the words of others

"Following with interest"

 

 


Thanks Mick! Size wise and subject - DL has been a massive inspiration for this project!

 

19 hours ago, 5BarVT said:

Orient Way was the replacement for Thornton Fields carriage sidings which were moved for the London Olympics.  I can’t remember timescales but 2007 is probably not far off the date that EWS would need to have moved on to achieve Olympic timescales.

Paul.

 

Thanks for the info Paul. Yes I think 2007 is correct 

 

17 hours ago, Mark Forrest said:

Interesting project and a promising start with both the planning and locos.  Good luck with it, another one to watch.

 

Thanks Mark much appreciated. A lot of thought has gone into this one. Fryers Lane was a big inspiration to go down the finescale route when I saw it at showcase, but I’ve regretted not going straight to P4. EM was a great learning project for me, so hoping to build something very reliable in P4 off the back of the learnings done in EM.

 

4 hours ago, lyneux said:

Mmmmm 60094. I have the plate off this loco!

 

Glad to see you have made a start Will.

 

Guy

 

Thanks Guy - why a coincidence that is! 076, 091 and 095 are planned in the fleet from the Boxenby modern fleet ;) 

 

4 hours ago, dj_crisp said:

Nice project Will!

I hadn't realised all of the track is flatbottom - I'm sure that'll keep you entertained... have you sourced the point kits from Colin Craig?

 

Thanks Will. Yes it certainly will. I haven’t got complete kits but Colin has really helped me with the templates and I will be using his components. I’m planning on 3D printing the common crossings in steel to save myself the time, and everything else will be filed from the EM Gauge stores flat bottom rail. That’s the plan at least…

Thanks for everyone’s interest so far!

 

Kind regards,

 

Will

 

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I’ve made a start on the first of Colin Craig’s flat bottom P4 points this evening - kindly sold to me by Nick Lee. All of the copper clad sleepers are down and ready to have the cuts made for insulation. I will make the insulation cuts and fill them before soldering on the rails as it makes it so much easier to fill and sand back whilst it’s still just the sleepers. 
 

My plan is to make this up as a test point for a programming track to practice getting the method correct before starting on the points for the layout, which will then be used for programming my locos and eventually testing automation.
 

I’ve used the 08 for a size comparison - bearing in mind this is the smallest sized point I’ve got on the layout.

 

Kind regards,

 

Will

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This will be interesting .

I model EWS and have done for 20+ years so deffo in my zone of interest.

 

it’ll be great to see a modern depot….that looks like a modern depot …

 

this is where the depot was, not sure if it’s Eurostar stabling or something else now, but I was certainly of the recall that the was due to Eurostar it had to be demolished 

 

 

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9 hours ago, rob D2 said:

This will be interesting .

I model EWS and have done for 20+ years so deffo in my zone of interest.

 

it’ll be great to see a modern depot….that looks like a modern depot …

 

this is where the depot was, not sure if it’s Eurostar stabling or something else now, but I was certainly of the recall that the was due to Eurostar it had to be demolished 

 

 

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Thanks Rob - very kind although you’ll have to reserve judgement if it looks like a modern depot till I have something to show! I’m trying to be as in keeping with the prototype as I possibly can - so Google earth has been a god send.

 

If you look at where the footbridge is on the left, that was the bridge that ran through the middle of the stabling sidings of the depot, see picture embedded from Flickr below:

 

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I may be wrong, but I believe the area is now Orient Way carriage sidings which GA use to store their units and the ROG thunderbird uses.

 

Kind regards,

 

Will

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A bit more this lunchtime on the test point; I’ve cut the copper clad with the dremel, and then filled using Revell filler:

 

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The filler was applied as carefully as I could using a cocktail stick. I then left it to dry and sanded off using a nail file as can be seen. It’s much easier to do this now as you can use the file flat against the copper clad to get a perfect fill - and avoid the awful look of cuts in the sleepers later down the line.

 

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Ready for baseplates and rail now!

 

Kind regards,

 

Will

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Will, looks like a very interesting project you have started. I look forward to following progress.

I'm not sure if you are familiar with, or have access to the Scalefour Society web site, but in the layout section of the Forum, Tony Wilkins is describing his Brimsdown layout construction. It includes flat bottomed track and turnouts in P4, so might contain some useful information?

Dave.

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Looking good Will and its definitely worth the effort of filling in the gaps. I should have done mine first like you did! Not overly successful but I did try and scratch wood graining in... not sure if it is noticeable though but fun to do after one of those days at work ;)

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On 26/08/2021 at 14:44, Dave Holt said:

Will, looks like a very interesting project you have started. I look forward to following progress.

I'm not sure if you are familiar with, or have access to the Scalefour Society web site, but in the layout section of the Forum, Tony Wilkins is describing his Brimsdown layout construction. It includes flat bottomed track and turnouts in P4, so might contain some useful information?

Dave.


Thanks Dave much appreciated. I do indeed - but I haven’t been on in a while; thanks for your tip I’ll give it a look! 
 

On 26/08/2021 at 15:21, dj_crisp said:

Looking good Will and its definitely worth the effort of filling in the gaps. I should have done mine first like you did! Not overly successful but I did try and scratch wood graining in... not sure if it is noticeable though but fun to do after one of those days at work ;)

 

Thanks Will much appreciated! I think that might be a bit much for these I’ll be honest ;) 

 

Kind regards,

 

Will

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On 25/08/2021 at 22:02, rob D2 said:

This will be interesting .

I model EWS and have done for 20+ years so deffo in my zone of interest.

 

it’ll be great to see a modern depot….that looks like a modern depot …

 

this is where the depot was, not sure if it’s Eurostar stabling or something else now, but I was certainly of the recall that the was due to Eurostar it had to be demolished 

 

 

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Hi Rob,

 

That site is used to store Greater Anglia EMU's. When they were building the Olympic Park, the island occupied by the ArcelorMittal orbit had some stabling sidings which had to be displaced, and I presume these were moved to Temple Mills

 

I hope this helps,

 

Matthew

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On 25/08/2021 at 21:30, Southwich said:

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I’ve made a start on the first of Colin Craig’s flat bottom P4 points this evening - kindly sold to me by Nick Lee. All of the copper clad sleepers are down and ready to have the cuts made for insulation. I will make the insulation cuts and fill them before soldering on the rails as it makes it so much easier to fill and sand back whilst it’s still just the sleepers. 
 

My plan is to make this up as a test point for a programming track to practice getting the method correct before starting on the points for the layout, which will then be used for programming my locos and eventually testing automation.
 

I’ve used the 08 for a size comparison - bearing in mind this is the smallest sized point I’ve got on the layout.

 

Kind regards,

 

Will

 

I'll be following this with great interest Will as I have four of Colin's kits to build!

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On 28/08/2021 at 08:05, Re6/6 said:

 

I'll be following this with great interest Will as I have four of Colin's kits to build!


Thanks John! Pretty much complete now:

 

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It has gone together very nicely! Just got the cosmetic bits to add as well as the tie bars. Such a good kit and goes together really nicely.

 

Just got 15 to go for the layout…

 

Kind regards,

 

Will

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