rob D2 Posted September 2, 2021 Share Posted September 2, 2021 Falmouth ? But that’s a civilian dockyard isn’t it ? Wouldn’t that require massive investment in things such as security and the like Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Siberian Snooper Posted September 2, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted September 2, 2021 Yes it is a civilian yard, but I don't know if the intention is to take that over or construct a separate submarine base elsewhere in the area. At the moment it remains hypothetical, until there's another the referendum and they vote to leave. In the meantime I suspect that rumour mongering will continue. 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Royal42 Posted September 2, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 2, 2021 Building facilities like that can take decades, not years, waiting for any results could have unprecented impacts. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Kris Posted September 2, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted September 2, 2021 5 hours ago, rob D2 said: Falmouth ? But that’s a civilian dockyard isn’t it ? Wouldn’t that require massive investment in things such as security and the like Falmouth would not be that hard to secure assuming that the existing yard was used, or at least part of it. The yard only has a single entrance area with cliffs to the rear of the rest. At least one paper (the FT) was speculating this morning that the subs would be stationed in the US initially should Scotland leave. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Northmoor Posted September 2, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted September 2, 2021 8 hours ago, Mallard60022 said: If Portsmouth get the Nukes if Scotland gains Indi, (as mentioned today), then maybe that will be the close of such services at Demport? Another nail in the Yard's box? P It is much, more complicated than this. To operate on nuclear submarines, you need a nuclear operating licence, which Portsmouth doesn't have and there isn't space in the Dockyard to adapt for submarine refits. However, Barrow-in-Furness has a licence as it's where the subs are built...... 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Stubby47 Posted September 2, 2021 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted September 2, 2021 9 hours ago, Mallard60022 said: The move away from Scotland for the Defence Fleet is what the Government have intimated and announced this morning pal. They, of course, should always be trusted with the truth and so you can be certain this is going to happen...........or maybe just forget it, as I do. Phil Hi Phil, where was this info published? It's obviously of interest to us both as locals and as some of No.2 Son's mates are heading for subs rather than ships. Ta Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
david.hill64 Posted September 3, 2021 Share Posted September 3, 2021 11 hours ago, Stubby47 said: Hi Phil, where was this info published? It's obviously of interest to us both as locals and as some of No.2 Son's mates are heading for subs rather than ships. Ta It's all speculation. Linked to the SNP's push for independence. SNP policy is to be a nuclear-free zone so either the remaining UK negotiates sovereignty of Faslane or it has to find a new home for the nuclear fleet. Some strange options have been mooted, including France and USA. 1 2 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium rab Posted September 3, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted September 3, 2021 Local paper just caught up with the news: https://www.plymouthherald.co.uk/news/plymouth-news/devonport-dockyard-could-house-more-5864143 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDG Posted September 4, 2021 Share Posted September 4, 2021 I find it fascinating that there is even speculation that the Royal Navy UK nuclear deterrent could be based in France.... 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Siberian Snooper Posted September 4, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted September 4, 2021 4 hours ago, KDG said: I find it fascinating that there is even speculation that the Royal Navy UK nuclear deterrent could be based in France.... Made worse, by no longer being in the EU. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Royal42 Posted September 4, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 4, 2021 (edited) On 04/09/2021 at 13:50, Siberian Snooper said: Made worse, by no longer being in the EU. But bound by the international alliance of NATO, of which France is one of only three nuclear weapons states; the others being the US and ourselves. Mike Edited September 5, 2021 by Royal42 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Controller Posted September 4, 2021 Share Posted September 4, 2021 36 minutes ago, Royal42 said: But bound by the international alliance of NATO, of which France is one of only three nuclear weapons states; the others be the US and ourselves. Mike What is France's current status within NATO? I recollect De Gaulle sent the Americans packing at one point. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium phil-b259 Posted September 4, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted September 4, 2021 36 minutes ago, Fat Controller said: What is France's current status within NATO? I recollect De Gaulle sent the Americans packing at one point. He did (1966) However Nicolas Sarkozy re-intergraded France into the NATOs military hierarchy in 2009 1 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium rab Posted September 4, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted September 4, 2021 So if Scotland becomes independent then joins NATO, our subs can stay at Faslaine??? 1 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Stationmaster Posted September 5, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 5, 2021 17 hours ago, rab said: So if Scotland becomes independent then joins NATO, our subs can stay at Faslaine??? More likely to join what's left of the erstwhile Warsaw Pact I would think Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Dava Posted September 5, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted September 5, 2021 UK needs 4 Trident subs with US warheads & 2 massive aircraft carriers with US planes like why? So we pay US corporations $bns to ‘own’ them. Didnt help much in Afghanistan. No US special relationship anymore. UK needs to get used to being a marginal 3rd country mainly owned by foreigners our ruling class sold off to. Look at US, European, Chinese, Saud,i Russian ownership of former UK companies. Rolls-Royce now in the frame for US takeover. If you need a nuke base then stick it in Pompey home of the RN. Dava 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
david.hill64 Posted September 5, 2021 Share Posted September 5, 2021 30 minutes ago, Dava said: Rolls-Royce now in the frame for US takeover. UK government has a golden share in RR, so no foreign takeover possible unless the government relinquishes that share. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pb_devon Posted September 5, 2021 Share Posted September 5, 2021 2 hours ago, david.hill64 said: UK government has a golden share in RR, so no foreign takeover possible unless the government relinquishes that share. However it still maintains some control by various caveats. I have worked for one in this position. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianusa Posted September 5, 2021 Share Posted September 5, 2021 10 hours ago, Dava said: If you need a nuke base then stick it in Pompey home of the RN. Can you imagine the protests! Brian 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Northmoor Posted September 5, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted September 5, 2021 10 hours ago, Dava said: If you need a nuke base then stick it in Pompey home of the RN. What if that had happened 50 years ago? A Soviet attack on Portsmouth might have caused hundreds of millions of pounds of improvements. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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