westernviscount Posted September 3, 2021 Share Posted September 3, 2021 (edited) I was watching a youtube vid about the Brush Type 2 construction and happened across this coach. I have never seen windows on a mk1 like this (admittedly my knowledge is limited) Are they common? Did they last? Have they been modelled? Edited September 3, 2021 by westernviscount Spelling Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wickham Green too Posted September 3, 2021 Share Posted September 3, 2021 Looks like a BSO ( presumably E9254 ) ....... the van windows aren't a standard Mk1 fitting ! 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
roythebus1 Posted September 3, 2021 Share Posted September 3, 2021 (edited) The van windows seem rather similar to those on "Petros" on the K&ESR. Held in with Claytonrite bus window rubber. https://kesr.org.uk/facilities/petros/ Edited September 3, 2021 by roythebus1 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wickham Green too Posted September 3, 2021 Share Posted September 3, 2021 Looking through the Mk1 BSOs on the Carriage Survey I can only see one with these windows ( maybe others at the 'wrong' end ) ........ and yes, that's "Petros" and yes the B.R. number of that was E9254 ! { During accessibility conversion, the K.E.S.R. seem to have swapped some of the doors and windows around.) 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie Posted September 3, 2021 Share Posted September 3, 2021 Some info here: 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium keefer Posted September 4, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted September 4, 2021 I think it's mentioned in Parkin that there were cases of the glass falling out due to not being cut to the exact size needed i.e. it needs to be much closer to the aperture size, with little room for error. There's more tolerance in size when using the traditional frames. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
westernviscount Posted September 4, 2021 Author Share Posted September 4, 2021 31 minutes ago, keefer said: I think it's mentioned in Parkin that there were cases of the glass falling out due to not being cut to the exact size needed i.e. it needs to be much closer to the aperture size, with little room for error. There's more tolerance in size when using the traditional frames. I wish I had that book!!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wickham Green too Posted September 4, 2021 Share Posted September 4, 2021 Currently out of print ( https://hmrs.org.uk/publications/books/books-out-of-print/locomotive-hauled-mark-1-coaching-stock-of-british-railways.html ) .......... but no doubt available 'pre-owned'. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
westernviscount Posted September 4, 2021 Author Share Posted September 4, 2021 1 hour ago, Wickham Green too said: Currently out of print ( https://hmrs.org.uk/publications/books/books-out-of-print/locomotive-hauled-mark-1-coaching-stock-of-british-railways.html ) .......... but no doubt available 'pre-owned'. Thanks. Unlikely to get hold of it for less than £100 no doubt. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steamport Southport Posted September 4, 2021 Share Posted September 4, 2021 45 minutes ago, westernviscount said: Thanks. Unlikely to get hold of it for less than £100 no doubt. They come up quite frequently. However get the Supplement if you can, that has a lot of information in it. https://www.amazon.co.uk/British-Railways-Mark-Coaches-Supplement/dp/0902835181/ref=pd_sbs_2/257-1436806-1065121?pd_rd_w=O8UT5&pf_rd_p=69ff3c7a-27c9-438b-8fad-f012e06e34d0&pf_rd_r=9PCQ3ZN0AFWE1JSRV9YM&pd_rd_r=6cdfcd12-8900-4ba9-9eec-51f22f3c54ef&pd_rd_wg=sixUY&pd_rd_i=0902835181&psc=1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wickham Green too Posted September 4, 2021 Share Posted September 4, 2021 Why pay £9.99 for the supplement ...... that IS still in print :: https://hmrs.org.uk/british-railways-mark-1-coaches-supplement.html 1 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
roythebus1 Posted September 6, 2021 Share Posted September 6, 2021 When I mentioned the glazing to the C&W Dept. on the KESR they had to get special dispensation from the safety organisation. the galzing is a standard used on buses and coaches and ok for normal road use, but the pressures on rail use are different, especially with passing speeds of up to 200mph (with 2 trains approaching each other doing 100mph). I've had Plaxton coach side windows fall out at much lower speeds due to the bad fit or worn window rubber. As the KESR is unlikey to pass at 200moh closing speeds it was deemed suitable for 25 mph operations! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wickham Green too Posted September 6, 2021 Share Posted September 6, 2021 2 hours ago, roythebus1 said: .... especially with passing speeds of up to 200mph ..... Surely they should have considered 225mph - the 'other' train could have been an HST ! On the 25mph ( max ) KES, the 'other' train is going to stationery ! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halvarras Posted September 6, 2021 Share Posted September 6, 2021 On 04/09/2021 at 14:51, Wickham Green too said: Why pay £9.99 for the supplement ...... that IS still in print :: https://hmrs.org.uk/british-railways-mark-1-coaches-supplement.html Thanks for the heads-up WGtoo - I have the big one (not boasting......) but not the tiddler! Thought they'd be long gone by now, never occurred to me to spend a few minutes checking on't interweb........ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
balders Posted September 6, 2021 Share Posted September 6, 2021 1 hour ago, Neil Phillips said: Thanks for the heads-up WGtoo - I have the big one (not boasting......) but not the tiddler! Thought they'd be long gone by now, never occurred to me to spend a few minutes checking on't interweb........ I also got a very nice, neat handwritten thank you note inside mine, a very Victorian and very welcome touch! Top work HMRS. Regards Guy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken.W Posted October 6, 2021 Share Posted October 6, 2021 On 03/09/2021 at 19:33, westernviscount said: I was watching a youtube vid about the Brush Type 2 construction and happened across this coach. I have never seen windows on a mk1 like this (admittedly my knowledge is limited) Are they common? Did they last? Have they been modelled? Hornby do the Mk1 BSO, one of their more recent main range releases, although with the standard Mk1 style van windows 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Burnham Posted October 7, 2021 Share Posted October 7, 2021 On 03/09/2021 at 21:26, Wickham Green too said: Looking through the Mk1 BSOs on the Carriage Survey I can only see one with these windows ( maybe others at the 'wrong' end ) ........ and yes, that's "Petros" and yes the B.R. number of that was E9254 ! { During accessibility conversion, the K.E.S.R. seem to have swapped some of the doors and windows around.) The original Petros conversion was actually done at Stewart's Lane I believe. First time a disabled toilet was fitted to a railway carriage in the UK. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Clive Mortimore Posted October 7, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 7, 2021 I have just bashed a BSO from some Tri-ang bits and I am making it one of this batch. I cannot find a photo that shows the toilet window, did that have rubber grommets or was that a standard fitting? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
westernviscount Posted October 7, 2021 Author Share Posted October 7, 2021 2 hours ago, Clive Mortimore said: I have just bashed a BSO from some Tri-ang bits and I am making it one of this batch. I cannot find a photo that shows the toilet window, did that have rubber grommets or was that a standard fitting? Clive, here is the link to the youtube vid I screenshot above. The coach in question passes at 15mins 45 seconds. As far as I can see the single window at the passenger end of the coach looks conventional and I assume the toilet is on the other side and also conventional. Just a guess really!! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Clive Mortimore Posted October 7, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 7, 2021 13 minutes ago, westernviscount said: Clive, here is the link to the youtube vid I screenshot above. The coach in question passes at 15mins 45 seconds. As far as I can see the single window at the passenger end of the coach looks conventional and I assume the toilet is on the other side and also conventional. Just a guess really!! Thank you Westernviscount By the looks of things the loo window is a normal one. As for the one opposite the loo I will have to remove the fillets I glued on two days ago. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
westernviscount Posted October 7, 2021 Author Share Posted October 7, 2021 6 minutes ago, Clive Mortimore said: Thank you Westernviscount By the looks of things the loo window is a normal one. As for the one opposite the loo I will have to remove the fillets I glued on two days ago. In the video Clive, is the window on the camera side at the end next to the door the toilet? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Phatbob Posted October 7, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 7, 2021 Best of all, at 15 minutes into the film there is a bus on the bridge. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
westernviscount Posted October 7, 2021 Author Share Posted October 7, 2021 5 minutes ago, Phatbob said: Best of all, at 15 minutes into the film there is a bus on the bridge. The bfi cliche department have been informed ;-) 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Clive Mortimore Posted October 7, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 7, 2021 1 hour ago, westernviscount said: In the video Clive, is the window on the camera side at the end next to the door the toilet? That is the window I am on about. Like you I think the loo window must be standard. I will photograph my model and post it on here. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium keefer Posted October 7, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 7, 2021 2 hours ago, westernviscount said: In the video Clive, is the window on the camera side at the end next to the door the toilet? It is just a plain window in the vestibule area, the toilet is on the other side. Most Mk1 coaches had a plain panel here, IIRC the FO was the only other type that had these windows 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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