scots region Posted September 9, 2021 Share Posted September 9, 2021 Hello all, I spend an unhealthy amount of time pondering ‘what if’ scenarios. Indeed it seems I’m not alone as the ‘imaginary locomotives’ thread is well patronised. But just as there have been many proposed locomotives and railways in the real world, I imagine there have been just as many in the modelling world. I remember that in the final chapter of the 1975 Hornby Railways album a number of proposed models were discussed, including a Snowdon Mountain Railway locomotive and coach, which had in fact made it to the mock up stage. Another proposal was for a coach that could open its doors in the platform. Both of course never happened, the coach was impractical as it wouldn’t have been possible to keep the doors closed when passing a station, and there was little market room for the Mountain railway set. I also recall, possibly a series, of articles in a magazine on planned models over the years, Bachmann I know wanted to do a Q1, Hornby I’ve heard it said looked at a J36 in the 1980s. In more recent times we’ve seen the failed APT from DJM, though that last maybe to bitter of a memory for some. But is there more? What projects fell by the wayside? To be clear I am asking about proposed, not discontinued models, least this thread simply turn into a list of grievances. ScR 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Bigcheeseplant Posted September 9, 2021 Share Posted September 9, 2021 There was a Lima V2 2 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
009 micro modeller Posted September 9, 2021 Share Posted September 9, 2021 (edited) Roco Double Fairlie, around 2008/9 iirc. Had it gone ahead I think this would have been the first proper British outline 009 RTR. Edited September 9, 2021 by 009 micro modeller 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steamport Southport Posted September 9, 2021 Share Posted September 9, 2021 Lima LNER V2 is one I remember vividly as I ordered it back in the day. They even had mock ups made which I think was the Nu Cast kit. There are lists of models that were due in the Ramsay's Guides. Mostly of models planned by Airfix and Mainline which were quite far down the development road. Many later appeared from elsewhere such as the Replica Modified Hall and much of the Dapol and Bachmann ranges had their roots there. Jason 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolf27 Posted September 9, 2021 Share Posted September 9, 2021 (edited) Replica Railways has some bold plans in the late 80’s http://www.replicarailways.co.uk/images/stories/Downloads/5yrplan1986.pdf Dapol (v1) proposed a Beyer Garret, revamped Airfix 31 and 89 around the same time. Edited September 9, 2021 by Wolf27 3 5 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold tomparryharry Posted September 9, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 9, 2021 One model that nearly made it was the Triang-Minic Ro-Ro trailer. It was in the 66-67 catalogue year, but I think it was cancelled. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Flying Pig Posted September 9, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted September 9, 2021 32 minutes ago, scots region said: Both of course never happened, the coach was impractical as it wouldn’t have been possible to keep the doors closed when passing a station, I can easily imagine a mechanical or electrical actuator under the user's control, so that the doors could be made to remain closed as a train passed. On the other hand it would give the option for passengers to be ejected from a moving train, TPO style. Hours of fun - what a pity it never made production. 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium John M Upton Posted September 9, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted September 9, 2021 There was a Lima OO scale catalogue in the early to mid 1990's that promised Peaks, 90's, 91's and quite a few others all of which never appeared. There were also some examples where Lima promised new liveries on existing tooling that never appeared either, still have my pre-order for a catalogued but never produced Class 101 centre car in NSE colours with a long defunct retailer filed around here somewhere... 1 4 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
009 micro modeller Posted September 9, 2021 Share Posted September 9, 2021 5 minutes ago, Flying Pig said: On the other hand it would give the option for passengers to be ejected from a moving train, TPO style. Or you could have a scene where someone is nefariously pushed out of the train. I’m sure it could be made to work outside of stations too. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium James Makin Posted September 9, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted September 9, 2021 I'm still holding out for the promised Bachmann Class 165 Thames Turbo DMU, the 166's older brother, announced what must be about 23 yrs or so ago now..! 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Legend Posted September 9, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted September 9, 2021 There was a Wrenn Prairie tank and Adams Radial . They also proposed re issuing the old Hornby Dublo coaches which never happened . Airfix certainly proposed a Schools as it inadvertently appeared in some pics in catalogue , along with Bullied coaches Hornby had proposed City of Truro as far back as 77/ 79 ,the aforementioned J36, Park Royal Railbus, 45XX, 2MT, Deans Goods (before the Airfix one got taken into range), Clayton 17, V1,V2,N7,56XX and a class Z 0-8-0, all per Pat Hammond book 1 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steamport Southport Posted September 9, 2021 Share Posted September 9, 2021 (edited) Airfix with estimated release date. Taken from Ramsay's British Model Trains SR Schools - 1982* LNER B1 4-6-0 - 1982 LMS Compound - 1982* LT 1938 Stock Underground Train * GWR 43XX 2-6-0* SR Lord Nelson 4-6-0 - 1982 WD 2-8-0 - 1983 SR U Class Mogul - 1983 LNER J69 0-6-0T - 1984 LMS Crab Mogul - 1984 SR O2 SR G6 LMS 5MT Black Five LMS 8F *Pre-production model exists SR Bulleid Corridor Stock (3 types) - 1981 LNER Gresley Corridor Stock (3 types) - 1982 SR Birdcage Stock (2 types) - 1983 LMS Sleeper - 1983 LNER Gresley Non Corridor Stock (2 types) - 1984 LNER Brake Van - 1981 Gloucester PO wagons with accurate 9' wheelbase - 1981 SR 25T Brake Van - 1982 LNER 9' wheelbase Fruit van - 1982 GWR Cowans Sheldon 45T mobile crane and jib carrier - 1983 GWR Tube wagon - 1983 GWR Ro-Rail Milk Tank - 1983 BR 16T mineral wagon - 1983 Plate Wagon - 1983 Jason Edited September 9, 2021 by Steamport Southport 1 3 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium njee20 Posted September 9, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted September 9, 2021 I'm sure I remember there being an 89 promoted in (possibly) Rail Express in the mid 90s, I'd have said it was a Lima model, no ide what happened to it! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
scots region Posted September 9, 2021 Author Share Posted September 9, 2021 57 minutes ago, Flying Pig said: I can easily imagine a mechanical or electrical actuator under the user's control, so that the doors could be made to remain closed as a train passed. On the other hand it would give the option for passengers to be ejected from a moving train, TPO style. Hours of fun - what a pity it never made production. I did imagine that dcc and motor technology has advanced to the point that opening doors would be possible. But then I wondered about curved side stock, how does the actuator work then? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steamport Southport Posted September 9, 2021 Share Posted September 9, 2021 Mainline with estimated release date. Taken from Ramsay's British Model Trains 1985 SR Lord Nelson 4-6-0 LMS 8F 2-8-0 GWR 28XX 2-8-0 LNER/BR A1 4-6-2 LMS/BR Ivatt 2MT 2-6-2T SR N Class 2-6-0 1986 BR Class 25 LMS/BR Black Five 4-6-0 SR/BR Q1 0-6-0 LNER/BR J94 0-6-0ST GWR 8750 0-6-0PT Coaches SR/BR Bulleid BTK/CK/Semi Open Third BR Mark 1 SO LMS 12 wheel 69' Sleeping Car LNER Gresley Buffet Car SR Utility Van BR Mark 1 BG GWR Collett First Wagons BR Chevron PCA Tank Wagon Freightliner wagon and containers SR 25T Brake Van GWR Cattle Wagon LNER Box Van TEA Bogie Wagon Bogie Paller Van Notice the amount of overlap between what was announced by Airfix and then later released by Dapol/Replica/Bachmann. Jason 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
laurenceb Posted September 9, 2021 Share Posted September 9, 2021 Lima promised a Lizzy at the same time as the V2 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium 2ManySpams Posted September 9, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted September 9, 2021 Little Loco Company Class 22 in 0 Gauge. Design work and test shots were progressing but the company folded in 2019 or was it 2020. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
scots region Posted September 9, 2021 Author Share Posted September 9, 2021 8 minutes ago, laurenceb said: Lima promised a Lizzy at the same time as the V2 I wonder what modellers in a parallel universe had to put up with given Lima’s… quirky approach to quality control. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Flying Pig Posted September 9, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted September 9, 2021 7 minutes ago, scots region said: I did imagine that dcc and motor technology has advanced to the point that opening doors would be possible. But then I wondered about curved side stock, how does the actuator work then? You're overthinking it. It would most likely have have operated mechanically like the contemporary TPO set, with overscale hinges and fairly large gaps between the door and body. 1 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
scots region Posted September 9, 2021 Author Share Posted September 9, 2021 2 minutes ago, Flying Pig said: You're overthinking it. It would most likely have have operated mechanically like the contemporary TPO set, with overscale hinges and fairly large gaps between the door and body. isn’t that 90% of the hobby? 4 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BernardTPM Posted September 9, 2021 Share Posted September 9, 2021 1 hour ago, tomparryharry said: One model that nearly made it was the Triang-Minic Ro-Ro trailer. It was in the 66-67 catalogue year, but I think it was cancelled. If you mean the Roadrailer, that was made for a short while. There were two models in the 1965 Tri-ang Catalogue that never made production: R572 - lifting bridge R753 - Class AL2 (E3046), though the bogies, slightly modified, ended up under the ex-Hornby Dublo AL1 body. 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BernardTPM Posted September 9, 2021 Share Posted September 9, 2021 In N Lima promised a couple of models that they did make in 00, notoriously the GWR King that hung around in the catalogue for years (artist's illustration later replaced by the 00 version with oversize N gauge couplings added) and the J50. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gerbil-Fritters Posted September 9, 2021 Share Posted September 9, 2021 Pictures, where possible, would be a great addition to an interesting thread. I think I've seen the Airfix 'sneaky background shots' somewhere online. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Legend Posted September 9, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted September 9, 2021 Pat Hammonds book : The story of Rovex Vol3 certainly has pictures of all the proposed Hornby models I listed above 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steamport Southport Posted September 9, 2021 Share Posted September 9, 2021 (edited) 23 minutes ago, Dr Gerbil-Fritters said: Pictures, where possible, would be a great addition to an interesting thread. I think I've seen the Airfix 'sneaky background shots' somewhere online. Here I think. http://www.airfixrailways.co.uk/ARSysInd.htm Here's the one with the N2 and Bulleid coach. http://www.airfixrailways.co.uk/CatTeasers.htm Jason Edited September 9, 2021 by Steamport Southport 3 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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