scots region Posted September 10, 2021 Author Share Posted September 10, 2021 2 hours ago, adb968008 said: Bachmann announced but walked back on a retooled Paralell Scot, and class 04… the retooled Turbostar seems to have gone quiet. Did the really propose a new Scot? Or was it just the old version with a new chassis and a fresh lick of paint? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium melmerby Posted September 10, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted September 10, 2021 22 minutes ago, scots region said: Did the really propose a new Scot? Or was it just the old version with a new chassis and a fresh lick of paint? All their split chassis models were to be upgraded with a new chassis but those not done have now seemingly fallen by the wayside. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Johnster Posted September 11, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 11, 2021 18 hours ago, Steamport Southport said: The J50 is good. But it's virtually a design clever era model that is probably Railroad Plus standard. Moulded on bunker lamp irons, poorly represented pipework, etc. Far from being Hi Fi I'm afraid, the Bachmann J72 is light years ahead of it. Someone who got an email from Hattons saying I buy LNER/ER Black things and then realising I have far too many of them..... Jason Does not the J50 have a vastly improved mech compared to the later versions of Jinties, Panniers, J52s/86s and so on? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Nile Posted September 11, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted September 11, 2021 The J50 has a totally different chassis than the standard Jinty type. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Nile Posted September 11, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted September 11, 2021 18 hours ago, friscopete said: Long before new Minitrains .It was drawing I think in a flyer . See here . The Forney and Prarie never appeared. This is the page from catalogue you've seen. 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
009 micro modeller Posted September 11, 2021 Share Posted September 11, 2021 39 minutes ago, Nile said: See here . The Forney and Prarie never appeared. This is the page from catalogue you've seen. Were they to have only been released under (old) Minitrains branding, and not Eggerbahn? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium PMP Posted September 11, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted September 11, 2021 7 hours ago, The Johnster said: Does not the J50 have a vastly improved mech compared to the later versions of Jinties, Panniers, J52s/86s and so on? Yes, it’s in another league. https://albionyard.net/2015/12/28/r3325-Hornby-j50-review/ 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium John M Upton Posted September 11, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted September 11, 2021 On 10/09/2021 at 23:09, melmerby said: All their split chassis models were to be upgraded with a new chassis but those not done have now seemingly fallen by the wayside. I think it was the Ivatt 2-6-2T tank that killed off that plan. The new chassis being sold at high spec price but still carrying the old tooling body didn't go down to well which seems to be the point all the proposed split chassis replacements were quietly dropped. 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ejstubbs Posted September 12, 2021 Share Posted September 12, 2021 (edited) On 10/09/2021 at 20:00, adb968008 said: Bachmann announced but walked back on a retooled Paralell Scot In the announcement as reported here it was described as simply: "The new DCC compatible chassis for the Parallel Boiler Royal Scot Class 4-6-0". If that's all it was it's a little difficult to understand what might have been sufficiently "unfavourable" about the "present economic conditions" (this was 2018, remember). They'd already put a modern, DCC-compatible chassis under the Jubilee and Patriot (albeit there were some reservations about its accuracy, especially in the latter case), which would suggest that it wouldn't have been a monumental task to do one for the Royal Scot as well. As it was, though, anyone wanting a parallel-boilered Royal Scot with a modern chassis seems to left with two options: either kit build (which many are not competent, or simply unwilling, to do), or pay current prices for a Bachmann Patriot or Jubilee, or a Hornby rebuilt Scot, plus an aging Bachmann split-chassis Royal Scot (or just the body, if such can be found), and furtle the new chassis into the old bodyshell. It does seem odd that such a significant locomotive class should be left unrepresented in modern RTR for so long. Edited October 16, 2022 by ejstubbs 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steamport Southport Posted September 12, 2021 Share Posted September 12, 2021 23 hours ago, The Johnster said: Does not the J50 have a vastly improved mech compared to the later versions of Jinties, Panniers, J52s/86s and so on? It does. But the body is still a "design clever" era model with simplified detailing. Very noticeable when looking at the bunker rear with the moulded lamp irons. Photo from Hattons who did have them on offer the other day. I very nearly got another one so I'm not criticising the model, especially if you can pick one up for a good price. Very good, but not quite as good as it could have been. I would put in in the same category as the Star and the big GWR tanks in that they could have been better. Jason 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold adb968008 Posted September 12, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 12, 2021 (edited) 26 minutes ago, Steamport Southport said: It does. But the body is still a "design clever" era model with simplified detailing. Very noticeable when looking at the bunker rear with the moulded lamp irons. Photo from Hattons who did have them on offer the other day. I very nearly got another one so I'm not criticising the model, especially if you can pick one up for a good price. Very good, but not quite as good as it could have been. I would put in in the same category as the Star and the big GWR tanks in that they could have been better. Jason With hindsight it might not be a bad decision considering 5+ years later they are still new in bargain bins. As soon as I see LNER and “J” anything in a model railway sentence, its usually followed by the word “Bargain”… indeed Oxford J27 at £86.50 is new released straight to being a bargain! indeed that could be a new catchphrase… yet another “J bargain” Edited September 12, 2021 by adb968008 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Johnster Posted September 12, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 12, 2021 I like J50s, to my mind the epitome of what a big four period 6-coupled tank loco should be, especially the hopper bunker versions. Straightforward, practical, good sightlines for yard pilot/trip/pickup work, a sensible little loco in the Jinty/57xx tradition, a Thomas 'really useful engine'. If the mech is good and the model runs smoothly and is capable of good control at low speeds and smooth starting and stopping, and the axle spacing and body tooling are in the scale ballpark, then one can deal with issues like moulded on detail and plastic coal. Of possible use to me as a chassis donor for the Wills 1854 that Philou gave me. 1 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium PMP Posted September 13, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted September 13, 2021 (edited) The J50 apart from bunker lamp irons and anemic Ross pop valves which aren’t brilliant is definitely a full fat range model. The chassis, 3x bunker styles, 2x cabs, era/livery correct buffer housings and finesse of moulding makes it far from a ‘Design Clever’ release. The lack of body detail reflects the real thing. Edited September 13, 2021 by PMP 4 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Steven B Posted September 13, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted September 13, 2021 On 10/09/2021 at 22:23, RichardT said: Another example of manufacturers assuming that the 4mm collector’s market for oddities also exists in N and finding out it doesn’t - what’s wanted is core stock with wide distribution & uses (see also KR GT3 in N, Leader in N versus the success of Sonic’s 56xx & J50). And yet Farish have sold several production runs of Deltic. Whilst I agree that we need bread-and-butter locos like the 56xx and J50, there's no doubting in my mind that one-offs ad oddities do sell - even in N. Steven B. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium kevinlms Posted September 14, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted September 14, 2021 On 09/09/2021 at 22:15, 009 micro modeller said: Or you could have a scene where someone is nefariously pushed out of the train. I’m sure it could be made to work outside of stations too. With an elderly lady watching the scene from a train running on a parallel track! 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium kevinlms Posted September 14, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted September 14, 2021 On 10/09/2021 at 23:15, RichardT said: Oh, I see - I misunderstood you. But still, no, I don’t think this is the case. Manufacturers might sometimes get exclusive licences for current liveries (which are trademarked and copyright-protected), although this is less of an issue than in the early days of rail privatisation when some of the new boys thought that there were fortunes to be made from IPR! But in the case of BR and earlier locos & stock - no.* It’s sometimes assumed in modelling circles that some manufacturers have “bagged” certain prototypes by way of an announcement or previous production. Hornby in particular currently seem to have an unfortunate attitude that some prototypes are “theirs”. But that’s not legally enforceable against other firms (quite the reverse in fact). It’s down to a commercial risk assessment whether you produce a model of a prototype which someone else has already done, or announced. In this case, as Hornby are completely uninterested in the UK N market, that risk is non-existent. RT *Tedious IPR discussion omitted at this point for the sake of sanity. Just trust me on this. Since TTTE was making squillions for the copyright holder, when the TV series came out, it isn't surprising. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium kevinlms Posted September 14, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted September 14, 2021 On 11/09/2021 at 05:54, melmerby said: I got one as well, also one for LMS black locos, not sure I have ever bought anything LNER black from Hattons. I'm waiting for their GWR black locos e-mail next......... I'm sure that Steam Railway can be persuaded to repaint one side of 'City of Truro'! 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erixtar1992 Posted September 14, 2021 Share Posted September 14, 2021 Metropolitan E class ‘Met 1’ was apparently scanned i heard some time ago, would be a nice one to have 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Flying Pig Posted September 14, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted September 14, 2021 4 hours ago, kevinlms said: I'm sure that Steam Railway can be persuaded to repaint one side of 'City of Truro'! Remembered that and looked it up. It was apparently in 1985! Where does the time go? 1 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Johnster Posted September 14, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 14, 2021 3 hours ago, 313201 said: I read a few years ago ( cannot remember when or what magazine it was featured in ) that Hornby once considered making an emu which would have had a sliding door mechanism on both sides of the coaches so that the doors would open depending on which platform the unit was driven into. The problem they encountered was that if the buyer decided to run the unit/s as a semi fast or non stop service was that the doors would open everytime the train ran through a station and as a result the project was cancelled. Tyneside Electrics were suitable for this, often I'm told running with the doors open on hot days (I think this means anything above freezing point in geordieland). The vestibules were where mothers with prams congregated; nobody ever fell out, apparently, or perhaps just nobody noticed... 3 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Flying Pig Posted September 14, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted September 14, 2021 23 minutes ago, The Johnster said: I think this means anything above freezing point in geordieland CO2 or nitrogen? 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johann Marsbar Posted September 14, 2021 Share Posted September 14, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, The Johnster said: Tyneside Electrics were suitable for this, often I'm told running with the doors open on hot days (I think this means anything above freezing point in geordieland). The vestibules were where mothers with prams congregated; nobody ever fell out, apparently, or perhaps just nobody noticed... Popular in other places as well when It's warm........ ....Boulogne-sur-Mer to be exact (but not that one.....) Edited September 14, 2021 by Johann Marsbar added text 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium RichardT Posted September 14, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted September 14, 2021 8 hours ago, kevinlms said: Since TTTE was making squillions for the copyright holder, when the TV series came out, it isn't surprising. Sorry, I'm not sure what bit of my post you're commenting on? Cheers, Richard Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RJS1977 Posted September 15, 2021 Share Posted September 15, 2021 On 14/09/2021 at 13:23, 313201 said: I read a few years ago ( cannot remember when or what magazine it was featured in ) that Hornby once considered making an emu which would have had a sliding door mechanism on both sides of the coaches so that the doors would open depending on which platform the unit was driven into. The problem they encountered was that if the buyer decided to run the unit/s as a semi fast or non stop service was that the doors would open everytime the train ran through a station and as a result the project was cancelled. The trouble is, the doors would need to open and close while the train is stationary - this excludes the sort of sprung ramps which are used in the mail coach set. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
009 micro modeller Posted September 15, 2021 Share Posted September 15, 2021 26 minutes ago, RJS1977 said: The trouble is, the doors would need to open and close while the train is stationary - this excludes the sort of sprung ramps which are used in the mail coach set. Would it not be better to have some kind of trip switch or electromagnetic device that can be pressed once the train has stopped? This would also make it easier for non-stop trains as the trackside part of the device could simply be switched off (or not switched on) for them. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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