Live pigs in transit

[Nearholmer]

I suddenly remembered this useful documentary film.

 

https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=pigs+by+train&docid=608042059289164494&mid=6FC3CA34E2830CD84B176FC3CA34E2830CD84B17&view=detail&FORM=VIRE

 

Then there is the decidely weird tram to this place https://www.schweinemuseum.de/ , which bills itself as "Das größte Schweine-Museum der Welt", implying that there are others!

 

 

Edited September 13, 2021 by Nearholmer

[Compound2632]

5 minutes ago, Nearholmer said:

I suddenly remembered this useful documentary film.

 

https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=pigs+by+train&docid=608042059289164494&mid=6FC3CA34E2830CD84B176FC3CA34E2830CD84B17&view=detail&FORM=VIRE

 

Well, at least they didn't eat the upholstery.

[Caley Jim]

1 hour ago, Edwardian said:

Originally road-driven Irish pugs were the source of Harris's bacon.

I didn't know the Irish had tank locomotives which could go on the road!  (In Scotland a 'pug' is a tank locomotive.)  But then all self propelled steam road engines carried their water on board, so I suppose they could be described as pugs!

 

Jim

[Edwardian]

11 minutes ago, Caley Jim said:

I didn't know the Irish had tank locomotives which could go on the road!  (In Scotland a 'pug' is a tank locomotive.)  But then all self propelled steam road engines carried their water on board, so I suppose they could be described as pugs!

 

Jim

 

Letters on my keyboard are worn out. You'll find that u i and o are pretty mich interchangeable in my posts.

[Nearholmer]

I thought Officer Crabtree hod token ouvre year taprooter.

[Compound2632]

1 minute ago, Nearholmer said:

I thought Officer Crabtree hod token ouvre year taprooter.

 

This is degenerating. 

 

I've posted this Derby official before:

 

 

Derby Cattle Dock, 26 Nov 1909. [DY 9162, released under the Creative Commons Attribution-NonCommercial-ShareAlike (CC BY-NC-SA 3.0) licence by the National Railway Museum.]

 

The pens on the left, with vertical pailing nailed to the bottom three rails, are presumably intended for smaller animals such as pigs and sheep. Is that a pig there, next to the lamppost?

[Edwardian]

Nice une Kevon

[Regularity]

Just now, Compound2632 said:

This is degenerating. 

This is the Pre-Grouping forum.

 

Oh, I have simply said what you said, but with different words….

[Caley Jim]

12 minutes ago, Edwardian said:

Letters on my keyboard are worn out. You'll find that u i and o are pretty mich interchangeable in my posts.

I cannot make the same excuse.  In my case I am typing all the right keys, but not necessarily in the gihtr order!

 

 

 

Jim

[Nearholmer]

24 minutes ago, Compound2632 said:

Is that a pig there, next to the lamppost?

 

A definite sighting, I should say.

[laurenceb]

Another destination for pigs was Robirch in Burton, can't say that I have noticed anything in the dock ( it was opposite the station) but it would be worth a look

[Compound2632]

3 minutes ago, laurenceb said:

Another destination for pigs was Robirch in Burton, can't say that I have noticed anything in the dock ( it was opposite the station) but it would be worth a look

 

Well, that's prime Midland territory.

[CKPR]

3 hours ago, Compound2632 said:

vertical pailing nailed to the bottom three rails,

My first thought when I saw this picture was that this could be reproduced using the fencing from the ancient  Airfix  'Station Accessories'  set as there must be yards of this stuff still knocking about in search of a use.

[Western Star]

For those who love trying to interpret the way things were in the past....  here is an extract from the Kemble wagons received book of 1881, the extract focussing on GWR wagons used for pig traffic to / from Kemble.  The data tells us where the traffic originated and the destination of the traffic - in most cases the pigs are being sent to Cirencester.  What the data cannot tell us is if the pigs sent from Cirencester to Paddington on 13th September where amongst those which were received at Cirencester from New Milford on 11th Spetember.

 

An initial scan of the wagon numbers suggest that the traffic was carried in cattle wagons...  to be confirmed.

 

regards, Graham

 

 

 

Edited September 14, 2021 by Western Star

[wagonbasher]

The answer is in this video at about 8 or 9 seconds in, you will be surprised:

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w51bgeXlHuc

 

Andy

[Compound2632]

14 minutes ago, wagonbasher said:

The answer is in this video at about 8 or 9 seconds in, you will be surprised:

 

Right, the next person to post a Peppa Pig video will be required to spend 15 minutes per day for a fortnight in isolation from RMWeb with a copy of Jack' Braithwaite, Samuel Waite Johnson's Locomotive Aesthetic Beauty - An Appreciation (Midland Railway Society, 2004).

[Steamport Southport]

Not carried in these then.....

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[kitpw]

.....

17 minutes ago, Compound2632 said:

Right, the next person to post a Peppa Pig video

The railway telegraph code you're looking for may be:-

OUTFOOT:    Owing to suspected outbreak of foot and mouth disease near this station, cattle, sheep, goats or swine must not be accepted for despatch from your station until further advised.  If animals are received by rail they must not be unloaded until authorised.    GWR, 1939 [my italics]

 

(There is also this which I couldn't resist adding:-

GRUNT:    Forwarding licence is only necessary if swine are from a market or licenced pig dealers' premises. Railway Executive, 1950)

 

(http://www.railwaycodes.org.uk/index.shtml)

 

Kit PW

[Nearholmer]

Are those real!?

[Compound2632]

And seriously folks:

  

1 hour ago, Western Star said:

An initial scan of the wagon numbers suggest that the traffic was carried in cattle wagons...  to be confirmed.

 

At the risk of teaching those far more knowledgeable about the Great Western than I to suck eggs, here's an extract from a summery of wagon numbers up to c. 1905 that I made from Atkins (3e, 1998) a while ago:

 

W-                                          Nos. in range 2051-2119 etc. (95)

W-                                          Nos. in range 8291-8405 etc. (51)

W1                                         Nos. in range 13624-13994 (145)

W5                                         Nos. in range 13628-13943 (75)

W-                                          Nos. 13973-14000 (28)

W-                                          Nos. 16001-10 (10)

W5                                         Nos. in range 16002-16151 etc.  (125)

W-                                          Nos. 16071-16186, 16191-16200 (125)

W6                                         Nos. in range 26002-26204 etc. (300)

W-                                          Nos. 26001-26072 (72)

W-                                          Nos. 26203-26272, 26293-26392, 26577-26617 (210)

W2                                         Nos. 26470-26576 (107)

W-                                          No. 27698

W2                                         Nos. 38001-38100 (100)

W-                                          No. 38101                                            iron body

W3                                         Nos. 38102-38200 (99)

W4                                         Nos. 38201-38220, 38801-38822, 38953-38962 (52)

W1                                         Nos. 38221-38800, 38823-38952, 38973-39000 (738)

W1                                         Nos. 68001-68122, 68133-68231, 68233-68337, 68363-68412 (377)

W4                                         Nos. 68123-68132 (10)

W5                                         Nos. 68338-62, 68413-68462 (75)

 

So I think that further demonstrates that on the Great Western, pigs travelled in cattle wagons.

 

There are a couple of anomalies:

 

18733, a 1-plank open of old series Lot 1

23403, which I think may be a 3-plank open.

 

I can't quite place 13593 either.

 

Saving your reverence, might these be transcription errors?

 

Edit: looking back, I see the Kemble data is from 1881, so numbers in the 38xxx series and above are not relevant; my list may also include wagons built as renewals after 1881, so may not accurately reflect the numbering situation in 1881.

Edited September 14, 2021 by Compound2632

[Steamport Southport]

Or crated loads.

 

 

 

Jason

[Western Star]

Stephen @Compound2632,

 

To answer your question about anomalies, access to the relevant GWR wagon registers in York is desirable, I shall ask Chris Brown about what number ranges he copied a couple of years back.

 

A transcription error is possible, I shall talk to my "source" to see if the original reference material is available at this time (item was - maybe is - in a private collection).

 

regards, Graham

Edited September 14, 2021 by Western Star

[Compound2632]

2 minutes ago, Western Star said:

A transcription error is possible, I shall talk to my "source" to see if the original reference material is still available.

 

Errors in Atkins are possible too, even if it is referred to in some quarters as "the bible"! I found, from Tony Wood's Saltney book, that Atkins had some 1-plank lots down as 2-plank and/or vice-versa.

[Regularity]

1 hour ago, Steamport Southport said:

Not carried in these then.....

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Nope.

That’s for pork (dead pigs), not live pigs.

[wagonman]

I recently did an analysis of the traffic arising from the 1925 Wilts Agricultural Show at Warminster and there were a few instances of pigs being transported. In all cases the animals were in crates loaded onto cattle wagons, in many cases in the company of cattle – as the prize animals were usually carried in 'Beetles', these presumably were the runners up.

 

Edited September 14, 2021 by wagonman