RMweb Premium Blandford1969 Posted September 13, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted September 13, 2021 Yes, a random topic title. Can any of you help to confirm what size you think the width of the planks on the wooden doors on the attached photo are. I think they are 6" but could they be 9". Its all to help with making a model of the building. Thanks in advance Duncan Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
micknich2003 Posted September 13, 2021 Share Posted September 13, 2021 Duncan, I can't give a conclusive answer, but I would draw it out or make a test piece until it looked right. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Colin_McLeod Posted September 13, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 13, 2021 (edited) There are eight planks. At 6" that would make each door 4' wide. 9" would make them 6' wide. The doors look to be twice as high as they are wide. Given that the standard platform height is 3', I suspect the door height is nearer to 8' than 12'. If the choice is between 6" and 9", I would go for 6". As @micknich2003 suggests, draw it to scale to see what looks right. Edited September 13, 2021 by Colin_McLeod typo 4 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dungrange Posted September 13, 2021 Share Posted September 13, 2021 I can't give you a conclusive answer either, but I'd very much doubt that they'd be more than 6": I think they are likely to be less. The door on the left, seems to have eight planks, so if the planks were 6" wide, then that would imply that the door is four foot wide. That's a fairly wide door, given that most standard width doors are between about 30" and three feet wide. I'd therefore suggest that the planks are possibly just 4" wide, which would give the door a width of three feet. Look at the door height. I'd say that the door is more than twice as tall as it is wide. I can't see a reason for a door that is more than eight foot high. A typical door would be between six and seven foot, which I think implies a standard width door. It also opens out onto the platform, which I think is likely to be about six feet wide. If the door was much more than three foot wide, then there wouldn't be much platform when the door was being opened. My guess (and that is all it is), is that the planks are probably 4" wide. 4 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bodmin16 Posted September 13, 2021 Share Posted September 13, 2021 You could potentially make an approximation by using the diameter of the telegraph pole? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wickham Green too Posted September 13, 2021 Share Posted September 13, 2021 .... or the length of the 'sausage'. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BernardTPM Posted September 13, 2021 Share Posted September 13, 2021 Or the corrugations in the corrugated iron roof, perhaps. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium 2ManySpams Posted September 13, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted September 13, 2021 28 minutes ago, Colin_McLeod said: There are eight planks. At 6" that would make each door 4' wide. 9" would make them 6' wide. The doors look to be twice as high as they are wide. Given that the standard platform height is 3', I suspect the door height is nearer to 8' than 12'. If the choice is between 6" and 9", I would go for 6". As @micknich2003 suggests, draw it to scale to see what looks right. Exactly my thought process. My guess would be 5 1/2" planks as they would probably have been cut down from 6" and had a tongue and groove fitted making the overall plank face less. The other useful element in the photo is the white gate which will be 4' tall for that SR type. This proportionally would make the doors around 6' 9" tall. Working on the doors being roughly 2:1 height to width, and there being a smidge less than 7.5 plank widths in each door, this also gives the plank width at about 5.5". That's my guesswork anyway... 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
asmay2002 Posted September 13, 2021 Share Posted September 13, 2021 Typically the pitch of the corrugations in the corrugated iron is 3 inches. You should be able to use that to work out the width of the door. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Huw Griffiths Posted September 13, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 13, 2021 26 minutes ago, Dungrange said: I can't give you a conclusive answer either, but I'd very much doubt that they'd be more than 6": I think they are likely to be less. The door on the left, seems to have eight planks, so if the planks were 6" wide, then that would imply that the door is four foot wide. That's a fairly wide door, given that most standard width doors are between about 30" and three feet wide. I'd therefore suggest that the planks are possibly just 4" wide, which would give the door a width of three feet. Look at the door height. I'd say that the door is more than twice as tall as it is wide. I can't see a reason for a door that is more than eight foot high. A typical door would be between six and seven foot, which I think implies a standard width door. It also opens out onto the platform, which I think is likely to be about six feet wide. If the door was much more than three foot wide, then there wouldn't be much platform when the door was being opened. My guess (and that is all it is), is that the planks are probably 4" wide. I'd go along with this assessment. In fact, I wonder if the planks might even have been 3" wide. Just as an aside, this link "popped up" in a recent Google search: southernrailwaywestofyeovil.blogspot.com/2011/11/west-moors.html I don't know if it might be of any interest. Huw. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium 2ManySpams Posted September 13, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted September 13, 2021 12 minutes ago, Huw Griffiths said: I'd go along with this assessment. In fact, I wonder if the planks might even have been 3" wide. Just as an aside, this link "popped up" in a recent Google search: southernrailwaywestofyeovil.blogspot.com/2011/11/west-moors.html I don't know if it might be of any interest. Huw. That's a useful photo as it shows the building in context with the station building which looks to have a standard 6'6" high door. Looking across to the shed, and allowing for perspective/ vanishing point, the doors there are marginally taller - somewhere between 3" to 6". I would however disagree with the door planks being 3" wide - the planks on the gate are normally about that and the door planks are about twice that. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Compound2632 Posted September 13, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted September 13, 2021 Roughly 1/32 of the length of the shed? 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold chris p bacon Posted September 13, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 13, 2021 Having hung a fair few like those the boards are ex 5 x1 either T&G or more likely just square edge this means the doors are approx 3' wide giving a 6' opening which was fairly common. I would not scale off the door in the station building, that is not 6'6" but more likely to be 6'3" (75") at most. If it were 6'6" the adjacent window would imply a ceiling height in excess of 8' which would be very unusual in such a building. 1 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Hodgson Posted September 13, 2021 Share Posted September 13, 2021 1 hour ago, 2ManySpams said: That's a useful photo as it shows the building in context with the station building which looks to have a standard 6'6" high door. The link is interesting as it shows the shed in white and the station building in a dark colour, and another the other way round, as well as the shed being absent later. Unfortunately it doesn't give you the dates. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steamport Southport Posted September 14, 2021 Share Posted September 14, 2021 Still there in April 1964. Gone by 1968. http://www.disused-stations.org.uk/w/west_moors/index.shtml Jason 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium 2ManySpams Posted September 14, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted September 14, 2021 9 hours ago, chris p bacon said: Having hung a fair few like those the boards are ex 5 x1 either T&G or more likely just square edge this means the doors are approx 3' wide giving a 6' opening which was fairly common. I would not scale off the door in the station building, that is not 6'6" but more likely to be 6'3" (75") at most. If it were 6'6" the adjacent window would imply a ceiling height in excess of 8' which would be very unusual in such a building. I did wonder in retrospect whether the station door was less than 6'6". Looking at other photos this morning I would agree with your thoughts on 6'3" for that. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Holliday Posted September 14, 2021 Share Posted September 14, 2021 Using GIMP to reduce the impact of the perspective I got this image. The NLS map seemed to suggest that the hut is around 18 feet long, so I have assumed that might be correct, and the height to eaves around 8 feet. This gives the width of the door as around 4' 6", and the vertical planks about 6¾ - 7 inches, in visible width - they might be T&G or similar. I'm not sure about this fixation with 3, 6 or 9 inch planks - they didn't get their timber from B&Q - although the rather massive looking horizontal timbers on the door that is off its hinges does come in at 9". 2 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nearholmer Posted September 14, 2021 Share Posted September 14, 2021 The horizontal axis is exaggerated in that representation - look at the lamp and the target sign, both look horizontally stretched. 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Compound2632 Posted September 14, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted September 14, 2021 6 minutes ago, Nick Holliday said: I'm not sure about this fixation with 3, 6 or 9 inch planks Quite so. The tongue-and-groove board used on Midland / LMS conversions of old carriages to tool or mess vans was 6⅝" wide (on the visible face) by ⅜" thick; with the tongue, 6⅞" wide over the tongue. This might be planed down from 7" x ½". Note that the boards at either end of the door are narrower, which possibly hints at tongue-and-grove. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold chris p bacon Posted September 14, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 14, 2021 1 hour ago, Nick Holliday said: I'm not sure about this fixation with 3, 6 or 9 inch planks - they didn't get their timber from B&Q - although the rather massive looking horizontal timbers on the door that is off its hinges does come in at 9". Timber has always, and still is in imperial. It might be sold as 150mm or 100mm but it's still 6" and 4". 3M lengths are 9', 3.6M are 11' etc. Softwood Boards for importation were 5"/6"/7" etc rough sawn, depending on the timber quality this could then be converted down to PSE (Planed square edge) or T&G hence finished timber sizes of 5 3/4" or 6 5/8'' The thickness would reduce correspondantly from 1" rough sawn to 3/4" planed. Imported board thicknesses were divisible by 1/2" (1'/ 1 1/2"/ 2' etc) The ledges (horizontals) and braces (diagonals) on the door are very unlikely to be 9", I suspect them to be 6". 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Holliday Posted September 14, 2021 Share Posted September 14, 2021 1 hour ago, Nearholmer said: The horizontal axis is exaggerated in that representation - look at the lamp and the target sign, both look horizontally stretched. GIMP only deals with things in the same plane, anything else is prone to distortion. In this case the lamp is a long way from that plane, and, looking at the original photo, I would suggest that the sign is slightly on the skew, although I may have under-estimated the height to eaves as well. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold chris p bacon Posted September 14, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 14, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, Compound2632 said: Quite so. The tongue-and-groove board used on Midland / LMS conversions of old carriages to tool or mess vans was 6⅝" wide (on the visible face) by ⅜" thick; with the tongue, 6⅞" wide over the tongue. This might be planed down from 7" x ½". Note that the boards at either end of the door are narrower, which possibly hints at tongue-and-grove. For rolling stock it would be a much better quality of timber (Hardwood or semi hardwood) which could be much thinner than softwood used for joinery. The teak panelling on early GN coaches is only 5/8" or thereabouts thick, if it were softwood it would have to be 1"+ to have anywhere near the strength of the Teak. Edited September 14, 2021 by chris p bacon 1 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Colin_McLeod Posted September 14, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 14, 2021 Does this help! 2 1 7 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
black and decker boy Posted September 14, 2021 Share Posted September 14, 2021 The white wicket fence should be in region of 4ft high. The suggests the doors are 6ft or so long. id say the vertical planks are 4” with the horizontal battens 6” A thin 9” batten of softwood would be prone to warping 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Holliday Posted September 14, 2021 Share Posted September 14, 2021 5 minutes ago, chris p bacon said: Timber has always, and still is in imperial. It might be sold as 150mm or 100mm but it's still 6" and 4". 3M lengths are 9', 3.6M are 11' etc. Softwood Boards for importation were 5"/6"/7" etc rough sawn, depending on the timber quality this could then be converted down to PSE (Planed square edge) or T&G hence finished timber sizes of 5 3/4" or 6 5/8'' The thickness would reduce correspondingly from 1" rough sawn to 3/4" planed. Imported board thicknesses were divisible by 1/2" (1'/ 1 1/2"/ 2' etc) The ledges (horizontals) and braces (diagonals) on the door are very unlikely to be 9", I suspect them to be 6". When the hut was built I suspect that the timber was prepared either by the LSWR or the contractor using larger timber sections, and not even necessarily imported, and would be sawn to whatever size suited the project, or the optimum reduction of round timber to planks and beams. Imperial or metric units of measurement don't make any difference. Looking at the photo again the ledges remain at 9", otherwise the door height would be only 5' 4", and the braces are 3". 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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