RobClogs Posted September 15, 2021 Share Posted September 15, 2021 (edited) To make printing ScaleScenes kits even harder, Adobe Reader's latest version - 9.9.5 on on my Win10 system - has dropped the option to customize print scaling. Instead, you're merely given the option to fit more pages onto one sheet. In other words, print at half, quarter, eighth etc. size. That's not what we need. Has anyone come across this problem yet? And found a workaround? Edited October 24, 2021 by RobClogs Corrected title, to be fair to Adobe Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quarryscapes Posted September 15, 2021 Share Posted September 15, 2021 Acrobat Reader 9 is ancient, The current version is Reader DC, which scales fine. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobClogs Posted September 15, 2021 Author Share Posted September 15, 2021 Ah, thanks, Q. I'll try that then. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold ikcdab Posted September 15, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 15, 2021 ive justr updated mine to the latest version and i still have custom scaling... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
brossard Posted September 15, 2021 Share Posted September 15, 2021 (edited) 4 hours ago, ikcdab said: ive justr updated mine to the latest version and i still have custom scaling... Good to know, I build a lot of Scalescenes in 7mm scale. Mine is an earlier version. John Edited September 15, 2021 by brossard Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobClogs Posted September 15, 2021 Author Share Posted September 15, 2021 5 hours ago, Quarryscapes said: ... Acrobat Reader 9 is ancient ... It was on my system when I inherited it, and I had assumed it had been updated regularly. Wrongly. I'm happy to report that I've now got Acrobat Reader DC and I'm painlessy scaling my Scalescenes prints. Up to 168%, using the Poster print feature, because it then no longer fits on an A4. Thanks for the responses. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
brossard Posted September 15, 2021 Share Posted September 15, 2021 35 minutes ago, RobClogs said: It was on my system when I inherited it, and I had assumed it had been updated regularly. Wrongly. I'm happy to report that I've now got Acrobat Reader DC and I'm painlessy scaling my Scalescenes prints. Up to 168%, using the Poster print feature, because it then no longer fits on an A4. Thanks for the responses. Off topic but 168%? What scale is that? John 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobClogs Posted September 16, 2021 Author Share Posted September 16, 2021 Well, 1.68 * 1/76 = 1/45. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium melmerby Posted September 16, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted September 16, 2021 Some of you were running some ancient software. Adobe Support for Reader 9 ended on 26 June 2013! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobClogs Posted September 17, 2021 Author Share Posted September 17, 2021 Sorry to keep nagging everyone about this. I've now got the state-of-the art Adobe Reader DC. But when I printed a Scalescenes pdf page, Adobe or my printer refused to commit all the brick detail to paper. It's as if the Scalescenes page contains too much detail for the printer's limited? memory. This is a legal Scalescenes page (low relief engine workshop) which looks OK on screen, but prints out only part of the brick structure, and drops masonry arches apparently randomly all over the place. Other, less detailed, Scalescenes pages print without any problem, as do detailed photographs. I printed this at 100%, no fancy scaling or anything. There are no newer drivers for my HP Envy 5540 printer than the current one. The printer is on my home wifi network. Has anyone experienced similar garbled Scalescenes printouts? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
brossard Posted September 17, 2021 Share Posted September 17, 2021 Never seen anything remotely like that before. As I mentioned above my Adobe is not the latest. My printer is HP Office Jet Pro 8720. It has given stellar service printing out enlarged (175%) Scalescenes sheets. Sorry I can't be any help, I have no idea what's going on. John 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium melmerby Posted September 17, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted September 17, 2021 If you hadn't said you have the latest drivers I would have said a driver problem............. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold RedgateModels Posted September 18, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 18, 2021 On 16/09/2021 at 09:15, RobClogs said: Well, 1.68 * 1/76 = 1/45. OO gauge = 4mm to the foot O gauge in UK* is 7mm to the foot Scale factor is 7/4 = 1.75 or 175% *other countries may have a different definition of O gauge Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium njee20 Posted September 18, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted September 18, 2021 Agreed - 76.2/43.5 = 175.17% OP suggests he is scaling to 1:45, which isn’t quite British O. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Harvey Posted September 18, 2021 Share Posted September 18, 2021 41 minutes ago, njee20 said: Agreed - 76.2/43.5 = 175.17% OP suggests he is scaling to 1:45, which isn’t quite British O. And 7mm/4mm = 175% Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
brossard Posted September 18, 2021 Share Posted September 18, 2021 4 hours ago, Mike Harvey said: And 7mm/4mm = 175% I was scratching my head over the scaling. I'm doing Scalescenes in 7mm and the buildings come out very well, although windows generally must be scratch built which is a PITA. US 0 Gauge is 1:48 so I can't figure out what modelling scale 1:45 applies to. Tanks and aeroplanes don't come in 1:45 scale, AFAIK. Perhaps it is a perspective thing, like the Coronation Street set which, IIRC, is 3/4 scale. (Yeah, I did the pilgrimage years ago). John Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium melmerby Posted September 18, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted September 18, 2021 1 hour ago, brossard said: I was scratching my head over the scaling. I'm doing Scalescenes in 7mm and the buildings come out very well, although windows generally must be scratch built which is a PITA. US 0 Gauge is 1:48 so I can't figure out what modelling scale 1:45 applies to. Tanks and aeroplanes don't come in 1:45 scale, AFAIK. Perhaps it is a perspective thing, like the Coronation Street set which, IIRC, is 3/4 scale. (Yeah, I did the pilgrimage years ago). John According to Wikipedia 1:45 is O gauge in Germany, Japan, Russia & Czech Republic/Czechia, 32mm track. It is also "Q" scale in USA 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold D9020 Nimbus Posted September 18, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 18, 2021 18 hours ago, RobClogs said: I printed this at 100%, no fancy scaling or anything. There are no newer drivers for my HP Envy 5540 printer than the current one. The printer is on my home wifi network. Has anyone experienced similar garbled Scalescenes printouts? All I can think of is that it might be worth trying a direct (USB) connection to the printer rather than wi-fi. I've had problems in the past with scanning when using wi-fi, so that might be worth trying. Other than that, you could try a different PDF reader—I usually use Sumatra PDF on Windows—it's free, but I don't know whether it supports scaling on printouts. It does use a lot less in the way of resources than Adobe. Another thing you could try is to convert the PDF to an image file, scale that appropriately and then print it out unscaled. GIMP will open a PDF file and allow you to change the scaling and the resolution. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobClogs Posted September 20, 2021 Author Share Posted September 20, 2021 Thank you very much for the useful suggestions, @D9020 Nimbus. My suspicions were also turning towards the wifi connection between PC and printer. Will try a USB connection. I will also reinvestigate the conversion to an image file. I had made one attempt by taking a screenshot, importing that into paint.net, but found it hard to get the scaling right. Plus you only get a small part of the file; this particular Scalescenes kit is 21 A4 pages. I have meanwhile found out that Inkscape is able to import pdf files, so I'll explore that further. Oh, and about that 1:45 scale: as @melmerby pointed out, it is the O scale ratio which is widely used in Europe, including most of my friends, when modelling continental prototypes. Unless they're French or Swiss or Anglophiles Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium melmerby Posted September 20, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted September 20, 2021 Hi Rob Will the pdf image open correctly in a browser (Firefox/Chrome)? Both will resolve a PDF. If so you can scale & print from within the browser. That might work OK Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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