SamThomas Posted November 2, 2021 Share Posted November 2, 2021 45 minutes ago, AY Mod said: Making such banal statements means that there's no credence to your other opinions. IMHO the section modelled on PW's layout certainly are. However, I do think it gets more interesting further north. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SamThomas Posted November 2, 2021 Share Posted November 2, 2021 3 hours ago, Georgeconna said: Their Flexi track aint that great either. Certainly the offerings from other manufactures are considered better, but flexytrack & a little imagination would go a long way to moving away from the trainset trackage look. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold PaulRhB Posted November 2, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 2, 2021 2 hours ago, Captain Kernow said: In terms of timescales alone, I found the Pete Waterman and team layout impressive and I believe that they have raised a lot of money for charity through displaying it at Chester? Plus people and exhibitors seem to have enjoyed themselves, possibly actually having fun, Pete is a very good ambassador in person having chatted to him at a couple of shows. 2 hours ago, Captain Kernow said: However, I have never, ever heard of anyone else taking a blow torch to model railway scenery! well you’ve heard of two now . . . I might have overdone the shrinking? 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SamThomas Posted November 2, 2021 Share Posted November 2, 2021 5 hours ago, Dunsignalling said: Still use toy points, though.... Well, they are better than they used to be & again with some effort could be made to look reasonable - not as good as finescale but certainly better. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold pirouets Posted November 2, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 2, 2021 2 hours ago, Captain Kernow said: However, I have never, ever heard of anyone else taking a blow torch to model railway scenery! Are you just jealous because you hadn't thought of it as a technique or had reason to? Anything on Callow Lane need a big of a singe effect? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold RedgateModels Posted November 2, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 2, 2021 21 minutes ago, SamThomas said: Certainly the offerings from other manufactures are considered better, but flexytrack & a little imagination would go a long way to moving away from the trainset trackage look. Why would they want to? The last thing Hornby want to do is alienate their core market 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jol Wilkinson Posted November 2, 2021 Share Posted November 2, 2021 8 hours ago, SamThomas said: ** Then again, most of the WCML is boring ! It wasn't in the LNWR years. 2 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SamThomas Posted November 2, 2021 Share Posted November 2, 2021 5 hours ago, PaulRhB said: But do scale modellers form the majority of visitor centre patronage? The centre is designed for enthusing those to enter the hobby and delight kids with bright wow layouts that they can pester the parents to buy a set and achieve ‘Blue Peter’ style when they get home. You don’t want to scare them off it’s more about play value and selling their basic sets and scenery. It could have an example of more advanced modelling using the more expensive resin buildings etc to show that but the focus is on selling the toy end as it’s a family attraction. I doubt if "scale modellers" form the majority of visitors to the VC. To an extent I do agree that if the display layouts were all to a high standard then maybe some Joe Public may be scared off. However, they could easily have a number of layouts from a simple trackmat to a trainset & through to something more of a model ? Maybe even show a few locations where it wouild be possible to store/use a layout similar to those people in the south west ? Surerly, start with train set & once "captured" nuture the customers so that they start buying the more expensive items in the range. I have said elsewhere that many people attend the VC & are dissapointed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SamThomas Posted November 2, 2021 Share Posted November 2, 2021 1 minute ago, Jol Wilkinson said: It wasn't in the LNWR years. Maybe not, but the model in question is set in a different timeframe. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SamThomas Posted November 2, 2021 Share Posted November 2, 2021 8 minutes ago, RedgateModels said: Why would they want to? The last thing Hornby want to do is alienate their core market They don't have to - see my reply to PaulRhB a few minutes after yours. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold PaulRhB Posted November 2, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 2, 2021 6 minutes ago, SamThomas said: I have said elsewhere that many people attend the VC & are dissapointed. Where do you get that data from? “Many people” would suggest you have access to a largish survey result? 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
woodenhead Posted November 2, 2021 Share Posted November 2, 2021 6 minutes ago, Jol Wilkinson said: It wasn't in the LNWR years. Nor in the LMS days and BR days up until the point of DVTs and trains no longer splitting at Carstairs, then it all went downhill and now it is just an efficient machine transporting people north and south. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SamThomas Posted November 2, 2021 Share Posted November 2, 2021 7 minutes ago, PaulRhB said: Where do you get that data from? “Many people” would suggest you have access to a largish survey result? People I talk to at shows & locally - no hard data but enough to form an opinion. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators AY Mod Posted November 2, 2021 Moderators Share Posted November 2, 2021 18 minutes ago, SamThomas said: I have said elsewhere that many people attend the VC & are dissapointed. Where do you get your ludicrous generalisations from? 20 minutes ago, SamThomas said: similar to those people in the south west ? Have you now invented a strategic reserve of layouts in Box Tunnel? Any more rot and I'll just remove your access to the topic 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators AY Mod Posted November 2, 2021 Moderators Share Posted November 2, 2021 5 minutes ago, SamThomas said: no hard data You don't say!? Ok, I've had enough. 4 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
woodenhead Posted November 2, 2021 Share Posted November 2, 2021 1 hour ago, SamThomas said: Be very interested to see what sort of actual distances Hornby loco motives would run. Pete Waterman demonstrated how good modern locomotives including Hornby are with the Chester Cathedral layout - those locos were doing real mileage without casualties. 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RJS1977 Posted November 2, 2021 Share Posted November 2, 2021 1 hour ago, SamThomas said: They could just show the start, finish & then the distance covered. I don't think they do that much work on the VC. Some years ago a friend of mine carried out some testing for a company that manufactures HO European Outline locomotives - they would often rack up 1,000+ actual miles before wearing out the wheels or pickups. I have in my own collection & that still runs well after a new wheelset. The test track was a monitored figure of eight with a 1 in 50 gradiant pulling 10 x coaches. Be very interested to see what sort of actual distances Hornby loco motives would run. I understand the lifetime of the locos used at Pecorama is measured in weeks.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RJS1977 Posted November 2, 2021 Share Posted November 2, 2021 6 minutes ago, AY Mod said: Have you now invented a strategic reserve of layouts in Box Tunnel? I presume he was referring to Pecorama. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators AY Mod Posted November 2, 2021 Moderators Share Posted November 2, 2021 1 minute ago, RJS1977 said: I presume he was referring to Pecorama. Serves him right for talking in riddles in between made up stuff. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium PMP Posted November 2, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 2, 2021 (edited) 9 hours ago, russ p said: I'm not sure putting the blow torch thing in the show was a good idea even if PW said don't try this at home . snip I couldn't really see what the heat achieved The ‘grass’ is teddy bear fur, and the application wasn’t as good as it is on Leamington, which may be down to time/filming constraints. Pete’s been using the technique for many years and it does give an effective result. The ‘fur’ is plastic based and too long for 4mm and quite a bit of 7mm applications too. Out of the box it stays in straight strands which look too regular, once it’s been painted and clipped, a waft of the torch across it makes the grass curl/curve/wave and if you get close enough a variety of brown scorch marks. Having been shown the technique by Pete, I used the technique on the foreground parts of Albion Yard for anyone who may have seen it at a show. It’s also been used by John McRea on quite a bit of Retford. Edited November 2, 2021 by PMP Addition 1 11 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
woodenhead Posted November 2, 2021 Share Posted November 2, 2021 7 minutes ago, PMP said: The ‘grass’ is teddy bear fur, and the application wasn’t as good as it is on Leamington, which may be down to time/filming constraints. Pete’s been using the technique for many years and it does give an effective result. The ‘fur’ is plastic based and too long for 4mm and quite a bit of 7mm applications too. Out of the box it stays in straight strands which look too regular, once it’s been painted and clipped, a waft of the torch across it makes the grass curl/curve/wave and if you get close enough a variety of brown scorch marks. Having been shown the technique by Pete, I used the technique on the foreground parts of Albion Yard for anyone who may have seen it at a show. Just as long as no teddy bears were hurt in the process. 1 1 8 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Captain Kernow Posted November 2, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 2, 2021 3 hours ago, pirouets said: Are you just jealous because you hadn't thought of it as a technique or had reason to? No not jealous, just dumbfounded at the idea of introducing a flame to a model railway. 1 hour ago, PMP said: The ‘grass’ is teddy bear fur Pete’s been using the technique for many years and it does give an effective result. a waft of the torch across it makes the grass curl/curve/wave and if you get close enough a variety of brown scorch marks Having been shown the technique by Pete, I used the technique on the foreground parts of Albion Yard for anyone who may have seen it at a show. It’s also been used by John McRea on quite a bit of Retford. Thanks for that Paul, good information from a knowledgeable and experienced person. So, no, I'd never have thought of it in a million years, but I respect the excellent results achieved by Paul and also by PW on his Leamington layout. And no, I have no plans to use the technique any of my layouts, past, present or future, thank you. Apart from the fact that I wouldn't trust myself with one, I doubt that I would be allowed to bring a blow torch into the house! 3 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Steamport Southport Posted November 2, 2021 Share Posted November 2, 2021 45 minutes ago, Captain Kernow said: No not jealous, just dumbfounded at the idea of introducing a flame to a model railway. Thanks for that Paul, good information from a knowledgeable and experienced person. So, no, I'd never have thought of it in a million years, but I respect the excellent results achieved by Paul and also by PW on his Leamington layout. And no, I have no plans to use the technique any of my layouts, past, present or future, thank you. Apart from the fact that I wouldn't trust myself with one, I doubt that I would be allowed to bring a blow torch into the house! I'm not advocating their use. But you can get those small ones that chefs use for things like Crème Brulee. A lot less brutal than the type that workmen and DIYers use. https://www.amazon.co.uk/Kitchen-Blow-Torches/b?ie=UTF8&node=11713221 Jason 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Georgeconna Posted November 2, 2021 Share Posted November 2, 2021 3 hours ago, RJS1977 said: I understand the lifetime of the locos used at Pecorama is measured in weeks.... Before repairing them or cast aside? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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